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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2005, 05:17:48 PM »
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There is the differance between most dogs and a Pit Bull. The German Shepard bit me, let go, then ran. The Pit Bull would have kept attacking me until I was dead.
i dont think there is a big diffrence..you ever see faces of death? one of them have a video of 2 burglers breaking into a car lot...one guy barly gets out with a german on his tail,,other guy gets attacked then drug down and mauled to death..pretty soon its just a dead body being drug around for hours and hours!! while the cam goes back and fourth,,and there still attacking the hell out of it,,even know he is dead..and when the police show up,,they have to shoot the 2 dogs to get them off the body...so dont think just because you got bit and let you go will happen every time.no matter what breed it is

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People who say "it's just the owner" don't have a clue. They are ignorant of the fact that animals have an inbred nature, and though it might appear dormant, at some point it very well may surface.
all dogs are inbreeded....i dont like pittbulls they are ugly..but i have seen very nice ones i would trust...and i seen some german and labs i wouldnt trust with anyone,,lol..some people dont have a clue if they think there raising doesnt effect there behavior...dago do you really think it doesnt matter if you beat a dog every day and feed it raw meat and teach it too attack..compaired to a dog that was threated like a person and with respect? i think its foolish to say it doesnt matter
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2005, 05:41:41 PM »
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Originally posted by hyena426
i dont think there is a big diffrence..you ever see faces of death?

Why would I watch that video?  Heck no, let the sick and morbid watch it.



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dago do you really think it doesnt matter if you beat a dog every day and feed it raw meat and teach it too attack..compaired to a dog that was threated like a person and with respect? i think its foolish to say it doesnt matter


No doubt you can teach any dog to be mean, obviously.  But, some dogs dont need to be taught, some have the natural instinct to attack.  Do you think it is some weird coincidence that Pit Bulls attack and kill so many times?  Why dont we read about Golden Retrievers mauling and killing regularly?  I gotta believe there are more Goldens in this country than Pit Bulls.  Coincidence?  Hardly, and it isnt just how the dogs were raised.  I imagine a lot of those Pit Bulls who killed weren't mistreated.  

Is anyone actually gonna say each Pit Bull death, each and every one was the result of a bad owner?  You gonna say each owner had routinely beaten the dog?  Taught it to kill?

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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2005, 05:47:46 PM »
Breeding for temperament (aggressive, docile or inbetween) has been deliberately going on for a long, long time. It works.

That said, any breed's results will show the bell curve.

With a Lab, the vast majority will be overwhelmingly non-threatening to humans.

Take a breed that's been bred to fight and kill and you can realistically expect different results.
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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2005, 06:22:29 PM »
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Why would I watch that video? Heck no, let the sick and morbid watch it.
sold millions of copies..i dont own it..but i seen it..and it was sick..but oohh so true...you said germans wont maul you to death..i seen it on video..and wasnt just mauled to death..was mauled long after death for hours and hours..all night




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Do you think it is some weird coincidence that Pit Bulls attack and kill so many times?
only 15 to 20 people die a year from dog bites..is that so awfull and horrifiing to handle? more people die eating food than to dogs..lol


In fact, no breed of dog has more than 0.1% of it's members involved in serious attacks.  It would be absurd to say that 0.1% of the dogs in any breed are 'merely fulfilling their genetic destiny' by attacking someone or something, and that the 99.9% of all dogs who never attack, are behaving somehow "abnormally" by not behaving aggressively.  Most dogs never attack anyone, and that includes the often maligned breeds, too!  If any breed were 'genetically predisposed to attack', certainly more than 0.1% of them would!

In regards to the theory that aggression can be either inherited or genetically linked, what unique, relevant genetic information could possibly be shared by:

the Labrador/Rottweiler cross (Sporting/Working Group) that killed one of its owner's children,
the Soft-Coated Wheaton Terrier (Terrier Group) that killed a neighbour's dog,
the purebred Golden Retriever (Sporting Group) that killed its owner's child,
the Border Collie (AKC, Herding Group) that viciously attacked a neighbour's dog,
the purebred Pomerananian (Toy Group) that killed the owner's child,
or the purebred Bullmastiff (Working Group) that killed one of its owner's child's friends?  
In fact, the ACTUAL dogs involved in attacks do not share any unique genetic information with each other, besides that which makes them dogs


The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictibility is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:
Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog.  
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).  
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be likely to bite. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.  <~~strait from dog bite .com...even they say it has to do with the owners not the dog breed

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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2005, 06:24:50 PM »
German Shepards are sweeties unless trained to be guard dogs.  Best guard dog is a small dog that barks at strangers.  Guaranteed to scare off territorial interlopers.:D


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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2005, 06:35:19 PM »
Dogs are just like people
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2005, 06:47:10 PM »
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Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog.
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be likely to bite. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack. <~~strait from dog bite .com...even they say it has to do with the owners not the dog breed"


of course, most people arnt "responsible (read: excellent)" owners, the average/common  owner wouldnt be able to keep certain breeds interested and happy, they dont have the time, patience or facilities.

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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2005, 08:19:24 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
best to simply be able to shoot em when you need to.

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Lol.... I thought of you last Sunday, lazs. And of packin' heat.

I was out fishing. Takin' a break on shore. There was a pitbull there. I was eating a sandwich.

Now, I am absolutely freaking TERRIFIED of pitbulls. My worst nightmare. Out of everything. I am terrified of crows only second.

My problem is that, well, it turns out that they can sense fear and they don't like it one gawdamned bit.

So I basically end up getting attacked by dogs and crows all the freakin' time.

So you know, of course, I've been trying to think of ways of limiting my exposure to such attacks. And all I've come up with is to try and not give them any idea, even the slightest suspicion that I basically hate them.

So my next experience on this riverbank would be the test.  I'd act all casual "good doggy" style. And it was cool for about 5 minutes.

I even asked the owner: "Is your dog cool?"

"Oh yeah" he said, "she loves people. Wouldn't hurt a fly."

So, right on... I'm getting all in the hang of acting casual. In fact it worked so well that I could actually feel a sense of calmness washing over me. And the dog was just hangin' out, being cool. I am thinking, "this is great." I am thinking, there is no shrecking WAY that this dog can sense that I HATE ITS shreckING GUTS!

That's when all hell broke loose.

It charged over to me (bolted!), from about 20 feet away and skidded to a stop about 2-3 feet in front of me. "GRRRRRRRR" it said, in the barred fang business style that only pitbulls can pull off with any authority.

I, uhm... well I took the sandwich that I was holding and tossed it
about 10 feet to the side. It happened in an instant, and I could be mistaken, but I think the dog and I shared a moment of humour when we both realized the decision making process involved in either going after a 1/2 pound of stale processed 7/11 meat, versus getting about 180 pounds of the real thing.

The dog was still "grrrrrrring", and in the "I am about to make one terrific leap at your jugular and wreck your whole entire day" posture. I took one step back. It took one step forward. I put my right hand over my heart like I read discourages some bear attacks. It had no effect.

I didn't even hear it, but the owner scrambled out of the water and made its way towards us. I don't know the cause/effect relationship to the events but the result was that the dog was now on its hind legs doing the 'road runner' animation while the owner held it back by its neck.

So, whatever. I live.

But I am mightily pissed off. "Sorry," the owner says. "She's not like this," he says.

At that point, I am thinking about how if there wasn't the owner around, I could in fact quite likely not have survived the encounter. I am thinking about a gun. I am thinking about lazs. I am thinking that everyone of those dogs should be euthanized.

I am also thinking now about how I'll never get over my fear of them, which only increases the odds that my fear will be manifestly justified in future encounters. I am so screwed.

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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2005, 08:48:30 PM »
Nash I had a similar encounter with a pair of pit bulls once.

In my front yard.

They had gotten loose from the pen the drug smuggler down the road was keeping them in, and were exploring.

2 rounds of 12 guage 3 inch 00 Buck from the riot gun I keep handy next to the front door of the house solved the problem immediately.

Being armed is a good thing.

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2005, 08:51:32 PM »
I was out jogging and was attacked by a dog, maybe a pitbull.  It was the one time I left my .44 at home.  In retrospect, I wouldn't have shot that dog even if I had the revolver with me.  I didn't have to, and I would have been tempted, but things didn't work out that way, so I had to use Karate.




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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2005, 08:57:31 PM »
LOL are you kidding me? You used Karate on a dog? That rules!

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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2005, 09:00:44 PM »
Les, with all due respect, any time any dog is unrestrained and off its owner's homestead and exhibits aggressive behavior toward a citizen, it should be put down. With extreme prejudice.

Just for perspective, I am a "dog guy". I've owned and handled large dogs all my life, and have always subscribed to the "dog is man's best friend" philosophy. I love 'em. I don't believe pit bulls are a bad breed, and have known many that were perfectly tractable individuals. They are simply very strong and peculiarly equipped by bred-in characteristics for fighting, therefore dangerous if uncontrolled.

I just firmly believe that dogs of all breeds are the responsibility of their owner to control, and that if said owner fails to do so then the best interests of the community are served by summary execution by whichever citizen encounters the out of control animal.

Of course, I feel the same way about thieves and other malcreant people, so take what I say with a grain of salt :)

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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2005, 09:09:05 PM »
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They are simply very strong and peculiarly equipped by bred-in characteristics for fighting, therefore dangerous if uncontrolled.


Why do I picture an automatic gun, gaff taped to the hand of an epileptic?

tick tock.

Kill 'em all.

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2005, 09:10:26 PM »
You could have done it Nash, the way he attacked, straight on with forceful speed, after jumping a 6' fence, lunging into the air right before I punched it in the nose.  It settld down instantly.  Couldn't run, I was payimg attention to that.;)

And didn't have my gun, so there's no way of determining if a man can get in a physical fight and conceal a gun at the same time.  I doubt it, I couldn't do it.



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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2005, 09:13:05 PM »
As long as we're getting into specifics, I've obviously given it a lot of thought:

How to win at Pitbull war.

Best I've got is gouge out the eyes. But not sure I'd get the opportunity.

How do you beat these things?