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« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2005, 10:19:31 AM »
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Dogs are just like people


After watching a dozen or so of the Dog Whisperer episodes, I've started to notice a pattern. The most screwed up dogs are the ones that are treated like people.

They're dogs. Treat them like dogs.
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« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2005, 11:45:14 AM »
first off, the pitbull as a breed is extinct, the breeding stock began to dry up when dog fighting became illegal. some remnants may have managed to stay pure until the early '80's due to the underground, but the breed is gone for good now. the media is wrong when they keep identifying these dogs as pitbulls as they're in fact american staffordshire terriers or mongrels of.

the akc has never reconized pitbulls. the adba does, but i doubt you can find anyone with the papers containing the lineage to back it up. the only difference between a pit and a staff was the family history, one was breed from fighting stock the other from show stock.

i should have been more specific and stated "shooting a charging american staffordshire terrier" laz.

i wouldn't expect less from you, but i doubt the average citizen is as much a zealot when it comes to training. i've never seen a pack of dogs charge at 110% from any distance tho, they'll usually do the stalking wolf pack thingy, whichs makes for easy targets, if you see them coming from a far even more so. same goes for big dogs like sheperds, not hard to miss the chest and all if you drop down on one knee, they have small a head compared to their body size.

cops kill staffs, sure the usual mo is four or so cops with their weapons drawn and someone opens the door.

a surprise charge from a staff is a different story, they are small compact and have tremedous acceleration. a 60 lbs staff at full charge can knock a large man down with a body slam. it's not impossible to land a shot on grease lightning, but also it's not a simple walk in the park.

btw, i'm all for banning staffs, or classify them in the same vein as firearms, same penalities and screening.

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« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2005, 01:14:32 PM »
I disagree with your assertion that they are "extinct". I have met some folks who do in fact breed them. Nope they aren't your typical AKC breeder. They know they are breeding fighting dogs and sell them to the people who use them for fighting. They are bred in the US and tha majority of the buyers are from Mexico.
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« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2005, 05:54:27 PM »
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LOL are you kidding me? You used Karate on a dog? That rules!


I tried to find a link but could not. I did read this story in the print editon of the paper and it is true. It is not some wild internet rumour.

About a week ago in the Sun (Toronto Edition) they had a picture of a man with some stiches on his forearm. He had been attacked by a female grizzly bear. He defended himself by using Karate and kicking the bear in the head. He looked like a real bad bellybutton type of guy

After he kicked the bear in the head it ran away.

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« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2005, 10:13:54 PM »
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Sometimes that is true, but you can't ask a dog to go against what it was bred for.  I can train my collies to not try and herd ducks into a circle, but I can't really cry foul if they slip up and do it.

An owner can make any dog turn mean.  But some just have it in their blood.


Yeah, but banning and thinning out/threading out the not wanted dogs is more difficult but much more humane...

Ok yeah it dosn't sound humane, but yall get what I'm saying..

And for those of you who don't know me..

I have plenty of experience with animals, and humans..

No, maybe not as much of one as some of you, but do consider, I am entilted to my opinion, my thoughts and my suggestions.

Constructive criticism is always welcomed but don't just say no.
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« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2005, 10:15:19 PM »
Ok, I just got off work about an hour and 30mins ago, leave me alone! :lol
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« Reply #66 on: June 06, 2005, 08:26:35 AM »
mav... for zombie pits you simply turn em into twitchers first and then kill em at your leisure.

torque... charging is what one of the pack does while the others try to circle.   Hitting the one running at me seemed to "distract" the other two.

The sheppard mix was growling and making feints and moving off to the side.   easy shot.   Worst come to worse... you could feed em your arm and then take an easy shot while they are trying to rip your arm off.

Back in the day when people shot their own dogs when they were injured or too old... I shot a few... maybe half a dozen for guys who couldn't bring themselves to do it.   Shot em all with a 22 High Standard pistol or a Marlin 22 rifle... All one shot to the head... no ricoshets.

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« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2005, 08:33:48 AM »
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After watching a dozen or so of the Dog Whisperer episodes, I've started to notice a pattern. The most screwed up dogs are the ones that are treated like people.

They're dogs. Treat them like dogs.


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« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2005, 08:39:08 AM »
The cops had to fire so many shots to stop the lunging pit bull, the gunpowder set off an overhead smoke detector.

Still, the dog didn't die.

But she wasn't the toughest dog on the block. That title belongs to Maya, a 74-pound black Lab who took on India, the 120-pound pit bull who was mauling a sixth-grader on the Northwest Side.


Maya's big day began just before 9 a.m. on May 26 as India, the next-door neighbor's pit bull, was acting up, police and witnesses said.

Maya's owner, Dawn Montiel, 35, arrived home from a night shift and pulled her car into her driveway in the 4200 block of North Drake. The pit bull greeted her by jumping on top of the car's hood. She managed to make it inside her house, but neighborhood kids began pouring down the street en route to class at nearby Patrick Henry Elementary School.

Montiel and her 15-year-old son, Michael, yelled to the kids from their windows, warning that a pit bull was loose. Many hustled away as India barked, but one boy froze.

"We kept telling him to 'Go! Don't stop! Keep going!' " Montiel said. "But he just stood there."

The 12-year-old boy later told his principal he stopped to help the smaller kids. But it gave India a chance to pounce.

To distract the dog, the Montiels threw bread and dog treats out of a window, but the pit bull ignored the food, she said.

The pit bull first latched onto the boy's groin, and then bit into his ankle, police said. His 9-year-old sister, who was walking with him, began swatting at the dog with her book bag. The boy yelled for his sister to run away so she wouldn't get hurt. That's when Montiel and her son went for the door to help.

"In our minds, we were going to go out and save the boy," she said. "But our dog had other plans."

'He looked like a wolf'

As soon as their front door opened, Maya blew by, knocking the Montiels over "like bowling pins," she said. Montiel went down and Michael hit a wall.

Maya bounded down all eight stairs of her front porch in one leap, aimed for the pit bull and bit.

India let go of the boy, and as he fled with his sister, the two dogs began circling each other, Montiel said. Soon, India got the best of the smaller Maya and locked onto her neck. Then, in a move police called "bizarre," India dragged Maya up the Montiels' stairs and into the home, Montiel said.

They thrashed about in the living room, knocking over a coffee table, lamp and a chair before Michael separated them with a broomstick and rescued Maya, who suffered deep puncture wounds.

By then, Sgt. Lameka and Officer Froylan Serna, both of the Albany Park District, arrived. They found India cornered behind the chair and coffee table.

Soon, India began inching out.

"He looked like a wolf coming right at you," Lameka said. "The next thing you know, he came out lunging."

Said Serna: "We paused a half-second, then we shot."

Serna fired his 9mm Beretta three times, and Lameka shot her .38 Smith & Wesson revolver at least once and the dog fell to the floor. But after a few seconds, like a horror movie, the dog got up and lunged again. Lameka and Serna began firing again.

When they were done, they had shot nine bullets, hitting her seven times, they said.

The house fell strangely silent after the shooting ended, they said. But as the smoke wafted up, it set off the smoke detector.

It was the first time either officer had fired a weapon -- other than in training -- in nearly 30 combined years of service. "People asked why we didn't [use a stun gun]," Lameka said. "But it only would have aggravated him more."

Despite the bullet wounds -- including three to the head and one to the neck -- India was still alive. Animal Control workers carried her out on a stretcher. She was later euthanized.

Maya, meanwhile, is on the mend. But Montiel is worried about her injuries -- and how she'll pay for them. She said the pit bull's owner paid the initial $250 veterinarian bill, but another $600 bill is coming and Maya may need more surgery.

That's why teachers and workers at Patrick Henry took up a collection. A school counselor dropped off $400 to Montiel on Friday with a card that read: "Congratulations on having such a marvelous dog."

"People say this sounds like a movie, but I'm not kidding," Montiel said. "God only knows what would have happened if it weren't for Maya."

Her son was more blunt: "If it [weren't] for Maya, the kid would be dead," Michael said.

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« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2005, 08:57:43 AM »
seems that if it weren't for guns... a lot more people would be dead or injured in that case.  

If it was in there.... I missed the part about the bullets bouncing off the dog.   Maybe they should have used 22 rimfires... I never seen one bounce off a dogs head.

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« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2005, 09:14:58 AM »
Maybe they just needed a good ol' cricket bat.  It works for zombies, why not dogs.
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« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2005, 10:08:00 AM »
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Maybe they should have used 22 rimfires... I never seen one bounce off a dogs head.

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Don't know, never tried. I know they will bounce off a hogs head quite easily. I've seen guys culling heards with a .22 rimfire. You have to hit them right between the eyes to do it. Higher up, they just skip.
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« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2005, 10:27:41 AM »
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When I was a young teen selling door to door in the summer, I had a German Shepard manage to open a screen door to get at me.  He bit me on the leg, then ran away.

There is the differance between most dogs and a Pit Bull.  The German Shepard bit me, let go, then ran.  The Pit Bull would have kept attacking me until I was dead.

BIG DIFFERANCE.

People who say "it's just the owner" don't have a clue.  They are ignorant of the fact that animals have an inbred nature, and though it might appear dormant, at some point it very well may surface.

My Golden Retriever had the typical disposition of a Golden Retriever.  Friendly and gentle, I can't imagine it ever attacking, and only fighting in defense of it's life.



A Pit Bull is given to attacking, and even in defense mode, it will not stop until it kills.

No excuse for the continued breeding of the dog that has proven over and over to be a threat to life.

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I rented a room from a woman many years ago. She owned a female pitbull that was about 3 years old. I had a young German Shorthair (just under a year old). That pitbull  tryed to fight over food one day and got the crap beat out of her by a much younger and smaller dog. This particular pitbull was the biggest baby you ever saw. The food incident was the only time I ever saw that pitbull even remotely aggressive. (She had very short hair and her skin was pink, so you could see the bruise around her left eye very clearly. She had a black eye from my hunting dog :rofl )

This particular pitbull actually made a good pet and would have tryed to lick a burglar to death.

Just because a dog is bred for hunting, or in the case of pitbulls for fighting doesnt necessarily mean it will do what it was bred for without further training. It is more likely to do the things it was bred for, however training can either reinforce those instincts or just the opposite can happen. Careful breeding of pitbulls can reduce and eventually eliminate the aggressive tendencies.

A well trained dog (no matter the breed) will sit instantly when commanded to do so and wont leave that spot until released by his owner/trainer. A well socialized dog (socialized with humans) will never bite either. Socializing a dog with humans ideally begins just days after birth. There is alot of truth to the statement that there are no bad dogs, just bad owners. Even the aggressive pitbulls I have seen in my life had a desire to please their owners.  Any dog that posseses even a moderate desire to please can be trained. That training can be good, bad or non-existant, either of the last two can be a fatal mistake in the case of pitbulls.
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« Reply #73 on: June 06, 2005, 12:03:32 PM »
I have owned 6 Pit-Bulls in my 25 years of owning dogs, I own 2 now and when they die, I'll get more.  I have also owned a couple shepards, and some mutts. I have been around all types of dogs and other animals my whole life. I.M.O. You can no more judge a dog by its breed than a man by his skin tone.

My experience has shown me that Bloodlines and Surroundings are what determines a dogs dispostition. I have bred several litters of Pits, I am still in contact with 5 of the pups from my *****. They are ALL great members of their respective families. They go camping, boating, for walks and lead normal dog lifes. They have NO IDEA they are viewed as savage killers by the the general (tellem what sells)media, and the sheep masses that beleive in full everything the media says, and ONLY what the media says.

B.T.W. None of the houses that my dogs live in have ever been burglarized, none of the kids in those homes has ever been abducted.

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« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2005, 12:15:52 PM »
I grew up with a German Sheppard which was next door and owned by a retired couple.

For years, he was the ideal dog.  Well behaved and well-trained, he would stop on a dime when told to heel.

One day, I was in the backyard playing with him, when he went beserk and attacked me (I was just tossing a ball and he was fetching,..like we had done for years).  The wife came outside and then the dog turned on her.
The husband came out with a hammer and beat the dog to death.

The wife died from her wounds.  I almost died.  She saved my life.  This is a dog who was mild-mannered and well trained.  He was not an attack dog, he was just a dog.  He never acted up in the 7 years he lived.


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