Lala's Ruined It For Me

[Vad]

The same whine about La-7... It becomes boring.

I flew La-7 the last half a year almost exclusively. This tour I decided to try something else, and now flying P38, Spit, Yak, etc.

My God,  how it is boring! And problem is not with K/D, K/S or rank. In LA-7 I had tens of fights per hour, now I rarely have two. 90% of "fights" look like: merge, HO attempt, evasion, reverse, opponent dives and  runs away, and I can't catch him. When I am in La-7 they didn't run. Or couldn't. They had to fight.

You, who are complaining about La-7, I have an advice for you: try it! You will be surprised how much more fun you will get for the same money.

[BlkKnit]

I agree with Tilt here.  The way it is used in the MA has little to do with reality.  If WW2 had been fought like the MA is, the LA7 would have been highly revered.

73, if we all know Slap is a better pilot than you, then we also know you are better than me, and frankly, I fear a Dora much more than a LA7.  I fear a A5 more too.  I might win 1 out of 10 against the Lala, but 0 against those others.  The most fearsome plane to me is a Yak.

OddCaf is certainly correct about how the LA disrupts things, I myslef find it annoying, especially since when I use it I just die....alot, while others rack up impressive numbers.

I remember being somewhat at ease fighting the La7 using a G10 back in another life (er, AH1 that is) but cant seem to fly that thing anymore either.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Vad

You, who are complaining about La-7, I have an advice for you: try it! You will be surprised how much more fun you will get for the same money.

I'd rather have the clap. If you can't find a fight, it ain't because you ain't flyin an elgay7. If flying that **** is the only way to have fun for my money, I'll spend my money elsewhere. The elgay7 is the king of the cherry pick, and NOTHING spends more time running than it does. The only thing close is a Tiffy or maybe a D9.
people who have trouble finding fights in anything but those planes define a fight as a cherry pick where they run if they come close to blowing all the advantage they had. There's nothing wrong with extending, mind you, but 5K out is more than extending.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by BlkKnit


OddCaf is certainly correct about how the LA disrupts things, I myslef find it annoying, especially since when I use it I just die....alot, while others rack up impressive numbers.

 

This is the EXACT point people make about perking it. It DISRUPTS the MA. Seems that was how the CHog got perked.
Personally, I don't care. The clowns who fly it in the most annoying way will simply find another plane to cherry pick, HO, and run in. But if it isn't perked, then the CHog shouldn't be either. Funny how the CHog gets perked because it has 4 20MM cannons, but there are plenty of other 4 cannon or 3 cannon planes that are not perked.

[JB73]

Originally posted by Vad You will be surprised how much more fun you will get for the same money.

i think this sums up the general problem here.

it is not about "quake fun" for me, and if i ever were to feel i am playing aces high like that i will forever stop playing.

i play aces high to somewhat relive or re-enact WWII air combat, not to see how many planes i can kill at 200" before myself getting killed.

i dont think i am alone in the fact it is not a "game" in the aspect of duke nukem with the God mode hack or whatever.

it is a "game" like pac-man. those higher levels the ghosts are MUCH faster, and hard to get past. some people could get to the high levels of it, me i never got past maybe the 3rd level or something.

even in that it is a bad example. this is a multi-player sim / game. you are not fighting a math problem, you are fighting a person. if that person chooses to take the easy way out and play air quake, i can choose to do multiple things, one is quit, another is not fly near them.

i dont think anyone can really say that they would do worse if they flew an la7 instead of their normal ride, especially the good pilots, they would really be able to exploit it's strengths. that's where it gets frustrating, when a really good pilot flies an la7 then brags how good he is. it's like taking a mack truck to a demolition derby, then cheering yourself for wining so easily.

i personally say do what you want, but i have every right to say i think you are flying in a dweeby way. that's my right.

[Clifra Jones]

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
people who have trouble finding fights in anything but those planes define a fight as a cherry pick where they run if they come close to blowing all the advantage they had. There's nothing wrong with extending, mind you, but 5K out is more than extending.

What ever.  VAD is right.  I spent over 2 hours in the MA last night looking for fights in KI84.  Guess what happened.  190s and G10s  and 51s diving to the deck 10 seconds after missing the HO or the cherry.  Say what you will.  The profesional cherrie pickers and vulchers use the D9 and the pickers the TYFFI or the 51.  The problem is that the LALA does not allow them to land their kills so they want it perked.

By the way, I jumped in a lala last night and forced people to fight instead of running  so yeah, it helps you have fun.  And the two Temps with the 1 51 that were buzing the field for over 15 minutes all of a shaden went somewhere else.  Except the 51, he could not run in time.  They others must have been out of fuel.

Don;t blame the plane because some dweebs HO and run.  They very quickly learn and move into the D9.

[Karnak]

This is basically why I stopped playing.  Not the La-7s, they are just a symptom of it, but rather the "make a half assed pass and dive away in terror wimps" who don't want to fight.

I subscribe to this game to have air to air fights.  Seems most do not however and that makes it a poor fit for me now.

[Vad]

Originally posted by JB73
i personally say do what you want, but i have every right to say i think you are flying in a dweeby way. that's my right.

Of course, you have that right.

But take a look. There is a difference between those who are flying La-7 and those who are whining about La-7.

I don't tell you what you have to fly, I don't complain about your style of flying and I have no problem with other players. Moreover, if you feel uncomfortable with your normal ride because you are beaten by La-7s you can easily solve this prolem - take La-7. I don't insist, it is just advice. Do that if you want, or don't do that - I will be happy anyway. You have all choices.

But you are asking me to change my style of playing. You are asking HTC to perk my favorite ride. You are not happy with my plane of choice.  You don't want to make changes on your side, you want to change me. You insult me and my way to play this game, you mock my favorite plane, you do everything you can to force me to play this game like you want.
Why? Do you have this right also?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Vad
I don't tell you what you have to fly, I don't complain about your style of flying and I have no problem with other players. Moreover, if you feel uncomfortable with your normal ride because you are beaten by La-7s you can easily solve this prolem - take La-7. I don't insist, it is just advice. Do that if you want, or don't do that - I will be happy anyway. You have all choices.

You're not complaining because they're not the sissies who try to cherry pick and then run like screaming babies when they miss.  You are the one doing that in a fighter that allows you to do it.  It does not disallow fighting in it by anymeans, but as it can run the people who pick it tend to be those who do run at the slightest whiff of a fight.

It boggles my mind that people pay money monthly for a massively multiplayer combat game and then do all they can to avoid actual combat.

Cherry picking is not combat.

Like others I would quit before being denied the fun of using the great many WWII fighters that I am fond of that are not La-7s.  I happen to really like Spitfires, Fw190As, Mosquitos, Ki-84s, P-38s and A6Ms.  If only the La-7 is viable to have fun with in AH now that should tell you something is wrong. Very wrong.

However the La-7 is just a tool.  The Fw190D, Tiffie, P-51s and Bf109G-10 can all be used in the same way.  So in the end it is the players, not the planes, that are the problem.


Maybe a 1943 arena really is the way to fix it.  That would limit the "one crappy pass and run" people to the P-51B, which lacks the firepower to be really effective in that role.  Maybe people would actually learn to fight instead of run.

[dedalos]

I think HT should instantly lock a thread when the word LA7 is found in it.  They are all the same.  A bunch of people telling everyone how good they are cause they don;t fly it, and what dweebs the people that fly it are.

I'll say it one more time.  Dweeb, chery picker, vulch, running ride #1 is the D9.  Most crying agains LA7?  190 and 51 drivers.  I wonder why   If I see an LA7, I expect a fight cause atlist its driver thinks he has the better plane.  If I see a MOSSI or 190, I either don't bother doing anything after the HO attempt or I have to give them my 6 in hoppes they come back to engage.  The 190 that is cause the MOSSI whent on to the next HO run.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Karnak

Cherry picking is not combat.

Sure is. You get picked because you are not watching your 6 nor do you have a wingman effectively watching your 6. Your flying in a multi-bandit environment and got picked by the wildcard bandit. Find a wingman and fly with him, cover each others 6. If I see you in that situation you can bet I'm gonna pick you too.

I don't chase the running La7s. I reposition and wait for their return.

Maybe a 1943 arena really is the way to fix it.  That would limit the "one crappy pass and run" people to the P-51B, which lacks the firepower to be really effective in that role.  Maybe people would actually learn to fight instead of run.

And St.  Nick will bring you a new 'puter for X-mas.

[Vad]

Originally posted by Karnak
You're not complaining because they're not the sissies who try to cherry pick and then run like screaming babies when they miss.  You are the one doing that in a fighter that allows you to do it.

Ok, it is exactly what I am talking about.

I have no idea what are you flying, what kind of your style, etc.  I don't wonder, actually. And I don't make any accusations, I don't make guess about your style. Do whatever you want and fly whatever you like.

I don't know if you  have ever flown with me or against me. I don't think that you have even heard my call sign. And I am absolutely sure that even if you have you forgot it in few seconds, I am far from good pilot. But why do you think that you have right to talk about my style? Because you believe that a lot of La-7 pilots do that? In this case you are wrong. La-7 are mostly used in base defence. There is no sense to run in this case (why to take off on the capped base in this case at all?) , and you rarely have chance to cherrypick being on the deck and having horde of 190s with 3000+ alt.
But every defence sortie I see 190, p38 or p51, which come with alt , make suicide dive on field trying to kill ack, radar or plane on  runway, and run away. I have no chance to catch them in Spit, but I have 50% chance to  kill them in La-7. If you call this cherrypicking, ok, let it be so.

Anyway, you blame me for cherrypicking, screaming and running just because i am flying la-7, but  you have no facts or evidences. Do I have to say who is the person who accuses somebody having no facts?

[DamnedRen]

Oddball, sounds like a slight case of burnout. Everyone goes thru it at least once. Hope to see you back when yer finished with the sabatical.

[JB73]

i just want to pop in and make clear....

my usage of the word "you" is in the generic sense... you as in anyone who flies the la7, or you as in anyone who flies a spit.