Suggestion

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by Pooface
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im just saying this because 2 weeks isnt enough i feel to really learn and get into the game

 

I got into it in two weeks. That's why I'm here instead of Warbirds. And started paying my money.

Did I really learn it? No. I still haven't.

[StarOfAfrica2]

I like the suggestion of directing new folks toward the TA first.  Not only because it would cut down on the guys in the MA that cant even start the engines, but also cut down on the attitudes.  I have no problem helping people if they need it, and thats why we have the "help" channel now.  But people abuse it, and come in with attitudes, expecting that the guys in the MA are SUPPOSED to help them.  Without previous instruction, having the help channel is confusing them as much as helping them.  

I do NOT, however, agree with making TA access free, beyond the 2 weeks already given.  AW tried that "Free Arena" idea before they died.  And yes, some of the guys did become paying customers.  But not nearly enough of them to justify hosting an arena like that.  Most of them either couldnt afford 9.95 a month for unlimited access, or just simply didnt see the point of paying for what they could get free.  So what if they only had access to one arena.  Anyway, I'm thinking that's all you'd see out of a free TA.  People who hang out, take advantage of the trainers there for some free advice on setting up their computers and gaming rigs, ACM, etc;  then they'd just go back to the H2H arenas and make use of it, never paying a dime to anyone for anything.

[Pooface]

ok. i have to admit im not as experienced as some here. ive only bin into the whole combat sim for 6 months, so some of you will know better than me.

maybe if we directed people to the ta first, we wouldnt need an extension on time, because people would make the most of the 2 weeks. perhaps this is the answer

anyway, i do see ure points on making it free, and accept that it could cause some problems. on the other hand, the directions to the ta sound like an effective easy alternative. who disagrees with that?

[Morpheus]

maybe if we directed people to the ta first, we wouldnt need an extension on time, because people would make the most of the 2 weeks. perhaps this is the answer

Blasphemy.

You can lead a horse to water. But you can't make him drink.

Same goes for any new player coming into this game.

Anyone, and I mean anyone who has the will, and drive to learn will find a way of doing so.

Anyone who says they can't find help in this game hasnt looked for it. PERIOD.

Like I said before. The very second you connect to the Aces High servers, you are prompted with several different options to choose from to play on line. One of which says.... Training Arena

What, more than that is needed? Nothing.

Nothing erks me more than someone looking for a hand out.

Asking paying customers (AH Trainers) to help train you and get you "hooked" on Aces High while you just logged on for free is nothing more than asking for hand outs.

[hubsonfire]

We have, currently, some 5000 (est) subscribers who didn't need months of free training to play this game. We have had countless thousands of others over the 4 years or so I've played who didn't need months of free training and dedicated trainers to play this game.

Changing the rules because some kids on summer break don't want to pay until they can 'pwn' is not even worth considering. Trainers already perform enough of a service (don't even know if they still get kickbacks; haven't seen the system messages in ages) without being forced to babysit everyone who wants to play the game.

Are there a lot of new players who are clueless? Yes.
Are there a lot of new players who need training or
rudimentary instruction of some sort?                  Yes.
Is there already a system in place to provide them with
this training?  Yes.
Was a help channel added to the game so they wouldn't have to
leave the arena to get simple questions answered? Yes.

Do they really need anything else if they aren't utilizing the tools already in place? Hell no.

[frank3]

Im an H2H'er myself, I cannot afford paying for the game, but I don't like the ffa and 'team' games in the H2H.

Maybe some of you may know my room 'Franks Coop Missions' where I organize realistic and historical missions. (Like being in a squad)
This gets limited by the 8 player limit and therefore I like the idea of making the TA free.

But maybe a better idea, make the TA free for a certain period (maybe 4 weeks) when someone sends an email with request for coming to the TA.
This will bann the n00bs, because, surely enough, they won't know they should send an email and cannot come to the TA.

So 1 email, 4 weeks free. Then maybe send another email?
This will give HTC alot of work checking the emails though...

[Pooface]

humm, yes. i suppose hubs and morph are right, being that its worked ok so far. actually, if it was put in place, we would get a lot of annoying kids flooding the place, and i accept that. i guess some people like it, some dont, but the way it is now works pretty well i guess, so its not gonna change:lol

[kj714]

Nyet.

Pay to play, a free TA would accomplish nothing.  

I think I spent about two days in the TA  learning how to get the wheels up and auger correctly before I jumped in the MA and got my maximus kicked for about a month.  

After that went back now and then to check out new stuff I'd heard of.

Free Ta? -

Freeloaders would abound and then we'd hear in about two months-

"waaaah, we need a TA for the paying customers only, I can't learn anything cuz of all the vulching, spawn campers, ho's, and cheaters "

And then everyone would be confused!!!!!

[Clip121]

Guys, I agree with Poo, 2 weeks just isn't enough for someone who has no experience in online sims.  I have several friends that tried to learn this game in 2 weeks - they didn't even come close even with me offering a hand.  Now some folks grasp things faster than others, but all of us are not quite as quick.  I'm not saying that offering more time in the TA is the answer, nor am I saying that more than 2 weeks is the answer either....  But I can attest to the fact that 2 weeks isn't enough to learn a whole lot in AH2.  

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[nopoop]

Sorry I don't buy it for a minute.

You've gone to expense of a flight setup. They aren't cheap.

Yet 43 cents a day is beyond the budget. I can FIND 43 cents a day for cripes sake.

Sorry don't buy it.

Move along..

[tactic]

Pay?.. Pay for aceshigh?  since when? I've been here for several years and never paid nothing.  $15 per month someone said. I've yet to see a bill in my mail box for aceshigh.  



















Some guy named Visa is getting mine taken care of.   this Visa guy is dumb, he pays for alot of my things, they have never once caught me forging my signiture on all these slips they have me sign too .  hahaha  handsomehunk visa..

    Want to hear something funnier,  hes got this sister, named mastercard, she goes by the name  MC , shes a sap too,  she pays some stuff for me too , even after ive sat my bellybutton on her all day!  lmao

I'm sure they have family, look'm up!

[Morpheus]

I have several friends that tried to learn this game in 2 weeks

THAT is the first biggest mistake any newb can and will make coming into Aces High.

The idea gets stuck in their head that they are going to learn it all or most of it in a short period of time.

The trial period is there to get you in to Aces High, on line and show you all it has to offer. Its not there for you to figure everything out and become a top ranked bomber or fighter pilot. Its a taste of things to come.

[Clip121]

Originally posted by Morpheus
THAT is the first biggest mistake any newb can and will make coming into Aces High.

The idea gets stuck in their head that they are going to learn it all or most of it in a short period of time.

The trial period is there to get you in to Aces High, on line and show you all it has to offer. Its not there for you to figure everything out and become a top ranked bomber or fighter pilot. Its a taste of things to come.

I agree Morph, my friends problems weren't that they weren't top ranked or anything like that - its just that there was so much to learn that they felt overwhelmed - then gave up.  They didn't have hours everyday to sit and play the game like some folks seem to have.  Perhaps a year would have never got them hooked - who knows.  But I will say they all told me that 2 weeks wasn't enough for them.....

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[FiLtH]

I think there should be a training academy. It could be the TA, but with a more structured feel. Levels that players graduate from, from ground school to advanced. Specializing in fighters and bombers. You could actually be awarded wings at the completion of training and use them as an avatar. Stuff like that. There must be a few guys in here that would fancy themselves as instructors.

Imagine a "class"..all graduating the same day...and then getting their orders. "Ensign Happy congratulations on completing your training. Attached are your wings to wear proudly, and your duty assignment. You are hereby ordered to report to the VMF-101 for fighter combat duty. Good luck!"


  Naturally it wouldnt be mandatory to graduate...but it would be a role playing feel, as well as knowing the guy who is on the list has been well trained.

[CheeseHead]

I wonder if the TA had lots of peeps in it how it would affect the bandwidth/lag in the MA? I guess if bandwidth wasn't an issue for HT he wouldn't have a cap limit on the MA.

I think the 2 week trial is fine. Most people who even consider taking the time to download the game already have a semi-wood about flying, they won't give up unless the game is *way* over their heads. And if they know ahead of time that the game costs $15 a month to play, they won't bother to download the game in the first place if they know they won't be able to afford it.

~Cheezhed {Shillelagh}