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Offline Deertick

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« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2005, 08:35:57 AM »
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If you consider bonbing of 5 ZSU a win, while whole coutnry is in chaos and people are feared to walk on the streets...

yes .. US won.

And yes there has been made great progress in Iraq also.... they dont have 2-4 bomb attacks within one week.... now they have within one day.


Yay US is winning all around.


Yes you are correct, you smart donkey......   We are winning each and every week as long as those 2-4 bombings are not on US soil.

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« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2005, 08:48:52 AM »
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Russia created the Taliban. Russia destroyed Afghanistan. The US is fixing Russia's mess.


Incorrect.

The Taliban was a creation of Pakistan using the infrastructure created by Saudi and American cash and expertise during the 1980s. The Pakistanis used the Taliban to fill the vacuum left when the Najibullah regime collapsed after the Soviets had withdrawn.

The USA abandoned Afghanistan after using it to give the Soviets a bloody nose. The Taliban regime was a direct result of this abandonment.

To blame the Russians for an extremist movement for which the US helped sow the seeds is an amazing leap of logic.

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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2005, 08:48:53 AM »
i think lada comes here to simply learn english.

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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2005, 09:24:17 AM »
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Incorrect.

The Taliban was a creation of Pakistan using the infrastructure created by Saudi and American cash and expertise during the 1980s. The Pakistanis used the Taliban to fill the vacuum left when the Najibullah regime collapsed after the Soviets had withdrawn.

The USA abandoned Afghanistan after using it to give the Soviets a bloody nose. The Taliban regime was a direct result of this abandonment.

To blame the Russians for an extremist movement for which the US helped sow the seeds is an amazing leap of logic.


What Russia did to Afganistan lead to the power vacuum that allowed the lawlessness and caos the were the conditions that the caused the Taliban to flourish. It is cause and effect, not an amazing leap of logic.

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« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2005, 09:47:59 AM »
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What Russia did to Afganistan lead to the power vacuum that allowed the lawlessness and caos the were the conditions that the caused the Taliban to flourish. It is cause and effect, not an amazing leap of logic.


You are completely wrong. When the Russians withdrew in 1989 the various groups of mujahideen started fighting amongst themselves after the US withdrew their previous support. It was the Taliban that ended the warlordism that resulted from the US exit after the soviet collapse.

You should understand that prior to 1978/79, the dominant form of Islam in Afghanistan was a very mild, tolerant form related to the Sufi branch of the religion. It was in the training camps
established in the North West Frontier region of Pakistan during the 1980s with US and Saudi money and CIA/ISI expertise that the relatively moderate Afghan fighters became infused with many of the characteristics of the extremist Pakistani Deobandi and Arab Wahabi volunteers also trained in the camps.

That the US intervention and subsequent withdrawl led to the rise of the Taliban is widely acknowledged amongst commentators of all political stripes. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who as Carter's national security advisor was one of the principal architects of the policy of intervention even admitted as much, saying:
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"What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?

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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2005, 09:48:21 AM »
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Originally posted by Habu
What Russia did to Afganistan lead to the power vacuum that allowed the lawlessness and caos the were the conditions that the caused the Taliban to flourish. It is cause and effect, not an amazing leap of logic.


Government troops and SA had Afghanistan under control by 1987, regardless to US support to terrorists.

Please don't forget that Najibulla's government lasted for more then 3 years without any support from USSR/Russia.

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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2005, 09:53:57 AM »
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Originally posted by Habu
What Russia did to Afganistan lead to the power vacuum that allowed the lawlessness and caos the were the conditions that the caused the Taliban to flourish. It is cause and effect, not an amazing leap of logic.


Government troops and SA had Afghanistan under control by 1987, regardless to US support to terrorists.

Please don't forget that Najibulla's government lasted for more then 3 years without any support from USSR/Russia.