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Offline Rude

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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2001, 04:48:00 PM »
Bill Clinton is a poor excuse for a man, much less a good president.

To be left or right has nothing to do with it...if you look up to Clinton, then you need to get up off your arse and open your eyes.

JFK was left politically and got more tail in office than Clinton could ever have hoped for. At least I could respect his vision and the love he had for this nation...Clinton just used us and some of you liked it!

I never got worked up over Clinton until September 11th...I had this vision of him getting a blow job while talking to a congressman and I got angry...real angry.

We trusted him to do his job and to defend this nation which he swore to do...what we got were 8 years of embarrassment and 4000+ innocent people killed.

What kind of person can admire or respect such a punk?

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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2001, 05:10:00 PM »
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Bill Clinton is a poor excuse for a man, much less a good president.

To be left or right has nothing to do with it...if you look up to Clinton, then you need to get up off your arse and open your eyes.

JFK was left politically and got more tail in office than Clinton could ever have hoped for. At least I could respect his vision and the love he had for this nation...Clinton just used us and some of you liked it!

I never got worked up over Clinton until September 11th...I had this vision of him getting a blow job while talking to a congressman and I got angry...real angry.

We trusted him to do his job and to defend this nation which he swore to do...what we got were 8 years of embarrassment and 4000+ innocent people killed.

What kind of person can admire or respect such a punk?


 Makes ya wonder doesn't it Rude?  There are defenately some idiots out there, just sad to see so many of them in our nation...

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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2001, 05:19:00 PM »
Maybe irrelevant but.......Clinton may be the greatest Politician that ever lived! Who else could maintain a 60% approval rating while going through an Impeachment? Awesome.

The actions taken on September 11th are a direct result of one man's skewed thought process after we based troops and supplies in Saudi Arabia. Bill Clinton did not screw up Bin Ladin's mind.

The GOP has been trying like hell to sink Clinton since before he was elected in 1992 (Jenifer Flowers). The witch hunt did not stop even after he left. Try to think of any other President in history who could stand up to the same level of scrutiny Bill Clinton endured. Less than a handful would fare as well IMHO.

The Reagan Prosperity was due to a Republican President and the Clinton Prosperity was due to a Republican Congress? Hmmmmmmmm?

Clinton was a fool to do what he did. But he was hardly the antichrist portrayed in some posts I've read here. Get over it already!

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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2001, 05:36:00 PM »
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We trusted him to do his job and to defend this nation which he swore to do...what we got were 8 years of embarrassment and 4000+ innocent people killed.

What kind of person can admire or respect such a punk?

The buck stops here. Let's see... if I read correctly, all of Clinton's successes should be credited to the previous Republican presidency while all of the blame for the current state of affairs goes to the previous Democratic presidency, Clinton. To sum it all up, you don't like Clinton.

Get over it. Stop listening to Rush and accept the fact that Clinton is gone but he didn't get impeached. He pardoned some people that probably didn't deserve it. Also accept the fact that more people liked Clinton in the office than didn't and that your man, Dubya did not attain the popular vote even against such a wooden candidate as Gore.

We've opened Envelope #1 and blamed the predecessor. We've opened Envelope #2 and Rumsfield is (or was) busily working on the reorganization. I don't like Bush, but it's a little early in the game to be looking at Envelope #3. It's his show right now. All blame and all credit belongs in the oval office right now. If the current administration doesn't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. They knew the stakes before they started playing the game.
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2001, 06:12:00 PM »
I feel that Clinton and Bush (either of them) are both equally worthless.

IMO there hasn't been a good strong US president since Truman.


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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2001, 06:21:00 PM »
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Maybe irrelevant but.......Clinton may be the greatest Politician that ever lived! Who else could maintain a 60% approval rating while going through an Impeachment? Awesome.

 Really it's more sad than awesome, it doesn't speak well for our nation.

The actions taken on September 11th are a direct result of one man's skewed thought process after we based troops and supplies in Saudi Arabia. Bill Clinton did not screw up Bin Ladin's mind.


 I have no argument with this. bin laden is crazy all on his own.

The GOP has been trying like hell to sink Clinton since before he was elected in 1992 (Jenifer Flowers). The witch hunt did not stop even after he left. Try to think of any other President in history who could stand up to the same level of scrutiny Bill Clinton endured. Less than a handful would fare as well IMHO.

 More like the only president in history to have as many blind eyes turned to his immorality and selfishness.


The Reagan Prosperity was due to a Republican President and the Clinton Prosperity was due to a Republican Congress? Hmmmmmmmm?

 No the prosperity in this country is caused by the people who work and make it happen. The people who take risks and the people who wake up everday and work all day. Washington does nothing but stiffle it and take away from it and doesn't do the job it is supposed to do, both parties.  The government can and sometimes does also help by lowering taxes and removing restrictions/regulations, but how often does that happen?

 Reagan and the Republicans of the mid 90's did their best to stop the democrats from crippling the economy with more taxes and regulations (regulations translates into more taxes most of the time). Which paved the way for the risk taking and investment of the 90's hehe they say there is no such thing as trickle down economics. Well watch it work in reverse now  :)

Clinton was a fool to do what he did. But he was hardly the antichrist portrayed in some posts I've read here. Get over it already!


 I got over it the day he left office, though we'll be paying for it for years I fear, the slowdown started in his last year in office so the blame for this recession is his.  He did nothing to stop it, not that he could have done any thing to stop the cycle but he didn't even make an attempt or give it any lip service.  Why should he give a toejam anyway he's set up for life his economy won't slow down.

 The way he left office made my day and was purely typical Clinton in his natural state.  History will know what a self serving person he is.  As far as I can tell the only person on this Earth that he worries about is himself.

 As the leader of our nation and military for the last 8 years he does deserve a good portion of the blame for our current situation.   You can try and skip a president or 2 back and blame Reagan and Bush. It's fine by me if you want to live in a world of falsehoods and myths.  The world respected us then and 8 years later they don't.  Bush hasn't been in office for a year and people try to blame him.  That's about the funniest and strangest thing I've ever heard.  I don't understand how some people can be so ignorant.

 But like I said at the beginning of the thread, there's plenty of blame to go around.  I'm willing to take my part of the blame and to blame the Republicans for thier part, why won't some of you Democrats do the same?  I mean after all you guys are supposed to be the "enlightened" ones right? and us souuthern chromisone missing christian bigots are the neanderthal nazis  right?

 I think I could go on forever, but dinner is ready  :) see yall tomarow!

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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2001, 08:11:00 PM »
Oh good christ..

What a buncha gawdamned sanctimonious hypocrites..

We speak of DEMOCRACY in hushed tones.. yet we pay it not one lil bit of respect.

The dolts in the white house (past and present) are the ones OUR DEMOCRACY installs there.

The last one was there eight years..  and I have to accept the fact that the majority of you hypocrites posting here voted for him, or else assume that the flight sim population demographic is overwhelmingly populated by rabid republicans....

Obviously, more than a few rational republicans must be around... because unless THEY voted for clinton he wouldn't have been in office EIGHT YEARS. The majority of voters in this country ARE republicans, remember?

How you guys find your tulips with the hugahunk amazes the hell outta me sometimes.

You wanna solve the problems of the world?? put the same energy you WASTE on pointing BACKWARDS at the time-line and get with the program of influencing TODAYS politicans on TODAYS issues.  

CLUE!!!!!!! Americans are being held captive by Phillipino Terrorists... HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WRITTEN YOUR CONGRESSMAN ABOUT THAT?

Do I need to write up a full list?

Are we all lemmings? Or eight years old?

What started out was a reasoned soul search for 'what ails us, why we can't learn from history?' degenerates in 10 posts to:

"Clintons fault"
"no, it's not"
"was too"
"was not"
"to"
"not"
"bllllrrsssph"
"diddly you too"

Boneheads. No wonder the world thinks we a bunch of idiots. We obviously are.

Udie.. some famous dead guy once said "those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Here we go again....  :)
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2001, 08:57:00 PM »
hehe that's why I titled the thread the blame game! Everybody get's a turn hehe   :D

 Like I said I blame all of us.  The rest is subjective and always up to interpritation no matter how much any of us think or know our point is 100% right.  I know I'm right, but I also know that I'm only one of 6 billion realities on this planet.

 Just so you know, I voted for perot and didn't vote in 96.  I was to let down by Dole's campain and didnt go do my duty. I due believe that Clinton owes Perot bigtime.  He split the conservative vote in 92 and 96.


 oops i digress...

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 I must add that from day to day I begin to understand a bit more that both parties have played us all for fools for years.  Maybe I'm just getting synical as I get older, but I don't trust any of them anymore.  And yes I do worry about what liberties we have already lost and will lose because of 9-11.

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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2001, 09:02:00 PM »
"How you guys find your tulips with the hugahunk amazes the hell outta me sometimes"--Hangtime


LOLOLOL!! Damn Hang, you messed up a perfectly good pissin' contest.

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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2001, 07:54:00 AM »
"The last one was there eight years.. and I have to accept the fact that the majority of you hypocrites posting here voted for him, or else assume that the flight sim population demographic is overwhelmingly populated by rabid republicans...."

this republican flight simmer didn't - either time.

how bout you hang??  If you did, please lie and tell me you didn't  :)
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« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2001, 08:05:00 AM »
10bears, if you truly believe Clinton was responsible for fiscal growth (And tax increases I might add) then you need to take an economics class in college.  The Technology boom was the primary reason for growth, followed by Global growth which boosted our economy as well.

LOL, I crack up everytime someone says "Well, with clinton, our economy boomed!"..hehehehehe! Ya, he was in office, but you could have put a monkey in office, and the monkey would have got credit too!

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« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2001, 08:30:00 AM »
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.. you could have put a monkey in office, and the monkey would have got credit too!

they did, and some do  :)
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« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2001, 08:45:00 AM »
This monkey voted for Clinton twice. I suspect that were the laws different in this country, he would have easily beat Gore and Dubya in the last election.

Hang states that the majority of Americans are Republican. I rather doubt it, but I'm certain that the majority of Americans were happy with the presidency of Clinton. His approval ratings certainly seemed to indicate it. Like it or not, that's democracy.
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« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2001, 09:11:00 AM »
You know I really can't seem to remember him winnin an election with more than about 42% of the vote.  I don't remember his overall oproval rating ever getting over 50% either, it was always at 44 or 45.  The man was lucky people were more worried about thier pocket books than thier country...

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« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »
I spoke not to the issues of politics, but the character of Bill Clinton.

Who here believes this man to be of character and subtance, honest and dedicated to our country and it's citizens during his presidency? Who is proud of him?

Speak up and be counted!