O'club discussion

[Skydancer]

beetle In honesty I can't remember ever telling anyone to do such a thing. Neither can I remember posting mainly to enflame or incite. I merely posted to provoke discussion.  Which is, I'm pretty sure, what most people do! And no I don't think the English are victims particularly. but I do think that mob rule has occurred here in the past and I'm glad HT pulled the plug for a while. Just a bit fed up that he saw fit to bar my IP.

Oh and Ripsnort yeah of course I read em but I also read some of the other stuff too. And most of my posts were responses in some elses thread that had already got pretty lairy before ever I went there. Oh and then therewere the occasions like the one where out of curiosity posted to see who else rode a bike and a certain guy with canine handle used it as an opportunity to personaly attack me and then continued to do so almost every time I posted anything no matter what. Yet I never saw that guy moderated once! So yeah I do feel there was one rule for some of us and one for others.

Ok Thats the end of it Its done and past. Im going home I'll continue the debate if I get time at work tommorrow. Sorry I won't be able to respond I can't from home see!

[eagl]

I doubt many would vote for me, but I'll volunteer to moderate if you need anyone for some off-hours moderation.  Hopefully there will be some clear mod guidelines to help out whoever ends up doing the moderation, and anonymous moderation (ie. MOD1.. MOD13) would IMHO prevent hard feelings and let the moderators continue to participate.

For what it's worth, I've found from personal experience that except in cases of extreme egotism, giving a loose cannon some responsibility and accountability will often improve their own personal actions.  Some of the "troublemakers" in the O-club might actually find themselves stirring up less trouble if given the authority and accountability coincident to moderator responsibilities.  Accountability is VERY important however, so moderator actions need to be reviewed by HTC reps and appropriate feedback should be considered normal.  Look at how slashdot meta-moderation works...  Moderators are given feedback on their moderation efforts within a week or so.  That should be a normal part of the moderation effort, with skuzzy or someone else at HTC letting the moderators know how their moderation efforts are being received.

[eagl]

Some more comments:

Regarding the 'IN' comments... That has to me been a pretty clear commentary on when the board readers consider a topic to be obviously beyond the legitimate use of this board.  As such, 'IN' posts are actually useful self-moderation clues that tell other participants to quit feeding the trolls.

Regarding a separate forum for moderators only, I think this is a great idea.  If moderators are assigned unique anonymous idents (mod1, mod2, etc), and only modx users are allowed access to this moderator forum, it would let the moderators discuss borderline threads and situations before they're required to jump in and make a decision.  Some moderation situations will be very easy to make, but some will be a matter of opinion, and a forum where a moderator can get a quick sanity check prior to an irrevocable moderation decision would IMHO be a good idea.

Where I work, I have to make several important decisions a day and I have the benefit of having experienced NCOs, an inexperienced officer, and 2 experienced field grade officers available to bounce ideas off of prior to making my decisions.  Some are easy, some need discussion prior to action.  I rely on my support staff and my peers to keep from making dumb decisions and I think a similiar structure for community "peer" moderators would be a GREAT idea.  It may be one of those make-or-break enhancements as it could keep those gray-area decisions from becoming rally points for the insurrection

[eagl]

Geesh... eagl's on a spamfest.

One last comment - I think it would be nice to tie forum idents to in-game idents or subscriber idents.  I don't know if this is possible with this bbs but it would help prevent shades accounts from feeding the trolls.

[Furious]

IMO, this is all alot of work for very little gain.

Why not completely divorce the OC from the HTC forums?  If HTC desires to continue hosting it, just give it its own address and keep seperate it from the rest of the site. If not let someone else host it.

Then screw the monitoring.  Let the OC "community" determine whether it will fail or succeed.

[eagl]

Whoops, one more comment.

I thought about separating the O-Club into 2 forums... The "O-Club" aimed at what I consider "real" community contributions, and "Off-Topic", for everything else.

I dunno if it would help, but it's an idea I think is worth discussing.

[moose]

I'd like to volunteer as well. I believe I'd be a good moderator for the reason that I tend to not get into the heated discussions with people. I'm not very political, either. Since I sit on the fence, I believe I'd be fair and just. I've been here since almost the beginning so I know what I remember it being like around this place and I'd like to help in cleaning it up to that standard.

[TheDudeDVant]

Rolex and Charon should be on the list unless mods are expected not to post..

[Drunky]

Originally posted by JB73
again i offer to be a moderator...

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[straffo]

Originally posted by Habu
BTW thanyou Pyro for bringing in back. And thanks to Straffo for putting aside past differences and supporting my point of view.

You know we have common friends in the game it show to to me we have more in common than we have showed in the past.

We all have good/bad days ,good behaviour bad behaviour  but the past is the past the only way to progress is to look at the future.

Even if we had dissension or discord in the past it don't prejudge of the future.

[Thrawn]

I to would like to offer my services as moderator so I can assuage whatever self-confidences issues I may have by lording it over the other posters and ruling arbitrarily with an iron fist.


FEAR MY WRATH!

[genozaur]

Flame bait

[Hangtime]

jeeze, Drunky; take a breath!

Gonna give us all coronarys too!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Neither can I remember posting mainly to enflame or incite.
 

Oh and then therewere the occasions like the one where out of curiosity posted to see who else rode a bike and a certain guy with canine handle used it as an opportunity to personaly attack me and then continued to do so almost every time I posted anything no matter what.

  You said earlier you wanted to know what a troll was. Like you didn`t actualy know.
  There is 2 of them above. And yes I am guilty of what is being described as "feeding the troll" here. I don`t see it that way.
  If even half the stuff that is being suggested here is used, then the whole thing is pointless IMHO. If all this stuff is put into place it won`t be the O`club. More like a women`s social club.
  If you can`t say what you think, then it`s not worth having.
  BTW...the handle has nothing to do with a canine.

[genozaur]

Personal attack