Enough Is Enough

[SlapShot]

Considering overuse is one of the reasons for perking.

I don't think that "overuse" would ever be used, on its own, to determine if something needs to be perked or not.

"Impact" is probably the real determining factor ... and from what I can see ... the La-7 does not have a tremendous impact on the MA.

[mussie]

I don't want to slap anyone in the face here but:

- I dont really have an issue with the LA (mind you the other night I had 5 sitting behind the B24 I was tail gunning for, got 2 of em)
- I don't really understand or agree with how perk points are set ( see my bit about the 1-c vs. the N1k)

So anyway:  

HT if you are listening,

Why not ban the LA for a Tour, Just to see how it would change the MA and the way in which the community would react to the new environment.

The community's reaction would be interesting.

I think that like someone else said, the N1k would become the problem plane, but that's just my uneducated opinion.

You know what they say, a change is as good as a holiday....

[dedalos]

Originally posted by mussie
I don't want to slap anyone in the face here but:

Why not ban the LA for a Tour, Just to see how it would change the MA and the way in which the community would react to the new environment.

The community's reaction would be interesting.

I think that like someone else said, the N1k would become the problem plane, but that's just my uneducated opinion.

You know what they say, a change is as good as a holiday....

I am all for it.  Only the following tour ban the D9.

[killnu]

"You would think that if the La-7 is as good and as prevelent as everyone makes it out to be, then we all would be getting into some real good fights ... but it appears that most really don't want to actually fight ... they want to hit and run and get real upset when the "run" factor is eliminated by an La-7 in the same airspace.

I can't remember the last time I lost a 1 v 1 against the La-7 or the N1K."

sorry Slap, id love to fight the horde of la7s, but most run...guess i should be flying near you more with all the 1vs1 you get with them and they dont run away.  only problem i have with the damn thing is, there are to many of them...numbers...not supposed "uberness" compared to all other aircraft.  which goes back to point, the number of them was my issue, HT pointed out, that there are only a few more thousand on average, than others during tour.    guess its just my dumb luck to run into horde or 5+ la7 on nightly basis

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by dedalos
 I play the game too you know.  My observations are a guess as much as yours are.  I can tell you for sure that when I see a full darbar and a field blinking, I will try an up a lala.  After dieing on the runway repeatedly, I will make it off the grownd and kill a couple of uber non lala flying vulchers.  So, I know I am contributing to the number of lala sorties.

Seems to me that you are using the hard cold facts to support your cause.  HT gave numbers.  Up to you to interprit them anyway you want.

Hmmm, what can catch a Typh after the typh is done vulc. . . .er supressing the enemy?  A D9? nah, the Typh would probably kill it in a turn fight.  A 51? it would never excelerate on time to catch the typh or avoid the vulchers.  Hmmm, what else is there that could stop you from getting your WTFGs?  PERK IT!!!!! NOT FAIR!!!!!  

I think I see where you are comming from.

Answer this question honestly.  Would you rather have a hord of spits chasing you or a horde of lalas?  I am guessing sppits cause you would not have to wory about them catching you right?

Actually a D9 will catch a Tiff, so will 2 or 3 other planes.

Using hard cold facts to support a cause is what your supposed to do, not guess or assume. Cold hard fact, if it's usage continues it should be aroud 11,000 sorties MORE than the chasing pack by the end of tour.
Thats a frick load of Lalas no matter how you look at it.

The only problem I have with the La7 is the fact that there are other LESS capable perked, so why should the La7 escape?

As has been pointed out, overall it is very good in most if not all categories, yet less capable aircraft are perked.

We used to be able to keep them in check by porking the fuel, I'll bet if HT looks, the amount of La7 increased a lot after the fuel porking was stopped.

I actually tried one a few nights ago, and it's a disgrace that thing isn't even perked, even lightly.

I wouldn't ban it for a tour, I would lightly perk the std La7, and slightly higher for the 3 cannon version, then see what happens.

But not my game to change, I guess when it becomes Lalas high then some people will be happy.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Actually a D9 will catch a Tiff, so will 2 or 3 other planes.

Never said it would not.  I said it will die when it does

Using hard cold facts to support a cause is what your supposed to do, not guess or assume. Cold hard fact, if it's usage continues it should be aroud 11,000 sorties MORE than the chasing pack by the end of tour.
Thats a frick load of Lalas no matter how you look at it.

The numbers are a fact.  Their meaning is not.  They don't tell you what kind of a sorty it was.  A big number of them would be desparate attempts to deffend a base.  On a tyff or D9 however, the same cold facts mean something else.  No one in his right mind would up a D9 to defend a base being vulched.

The only problem I have with the La7 is the fact that there are other LESS capable perked, so why should the La7 escape?

Understood but why do you really really care?  

As has been pointed out, overall it is very good in most if not all categories, yet less capable aircraft are perked.
We used to be able to keep them in check by porking the fuel, I'll bet if HT
looks, the amount of La7 increased a lot after the fuel porking was stopped.

Its fast, nothing more.  If you only bring this up because of other planes being perked, then why go into the troble of porking the fuel to limit its usage?  Obviusly you have other reasons you ask for the perks and not what you are stating here.

Try to answer my question if you want.  Would you rather have 5 spits chasing you or 5 lalas and why?

Also, if the lala was made in the US, would any of these threads have ever been started?

[Urchin]

I think most of the problem people have with the La-7 isn't actually the La-7.. it is the Spits and Nikis following the La-7.  

All by itself the La-7 is a threat to every plane in the game (it does at least one thing better than every other plane in the game, most likely all things), but typically the people fly the La-7 like a jousting knight rides a horse.  So you are forced to manuever to avoid giving the La-7 an easy shot, then forced to tangle with multiple planes while avoiding cherry-pick passes from La-7s.

[Soda]

You know the shame in the stats HT posted, it's not the top 15 aircraft and their % usage, it's the fact that there are ~35 other fighters who get less than 2% use each.  That's a pretty long list of "useless" aircraft that is likely to just get longer unless they add some more high-end-late-war aircraft. About the only time I see one of those low end aircraft used as a "perk generator" is when they are headed to harvest at a well established vulch, not in some sort of actually competitive fight (rare to see one in an even odds situation).

But why handicap yourself with something lessor, it would mean less fun for most players (less success).  The numbers speak for themselves there are "Better" aircraft and they are used more frequently, that will always be the case, it is the community speaking.  That said, why does the "average" have to be so high as to make so many aircraft obsolete?  Why couldn't the bar be lowered a bit to give more options that would be only slightly better, or slightly worse, than the average?  

-Soda

[LYNX]

The LA7 has "sprint speed" thats unsuppased.
The LA7has megga gun package.
The LA7 takes loads of damage.
The LA7 is without doubt a crutch plane.
The LA7 is used by arcaders with no concept of ACM, as a whole.
The LA7 dominates the arena in it's use....period!
The LA7 pisses me off...period.


So why are the Spit 14, F4u1C, TA 152 all perked and the LA isn't?
Would it be that in there "ALT" class there a bit too good?
Would it be that there gun packs are megga?
Would it be psychological factor.........?

No one like being beat by a pissy arsed newbie in a LA7 so i'll keep paying my $15 to kill the buggers.  

I wonder if HTC has consulted shrinks to actively turn our keys and wind us up.  Watch us pump $ after $ to kill LA7's.  Give us a challenge!  Give the newbies (mostly kids with no concept or period plane set) the chance to get a kill.

I just freakin wonder;)

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by dedalos
Never said it would not.  I said it will die when it does


The numbers are a fact.  Their meaning is not.  They don't tell you what kind of a sorty it was.  A big number of them would be desparate attempts to deffend a base.  On a tyff or D9 however, the same cold facts mean something else.  No one in his right mind would up a D9 to defend a base being vulched.


Understood but why do you really really care?  


Its fast, nothing more.  If you only bring this up because of other planes being perked, then why go into the troble of porking the fuel to limit its usage?  Obviusly you have other reasons you ask for the perks and not what you are stating here.

Try to answer my question if you want.  Would you rather have 5 spits chasing you or 5 lalas and why?

Also, if the lala was made in the US, would any of these threads have ever been started?

Wouldn't want ANY plane chasing me if I had the option. But yes I agree.

Wouldn't care if it was made in Outer Mongolia, still feel the same way.

Fast only?
It accelerates like a Ferrari
Turns well even at speed
3 cannon version is good gun package (only around 350 made)

No, other reason, just pointed out that a way they were controlled by US (ie porking fuel) was removed.

The perk thing was just as an example to show were HTs whole perking premises falls apart.
i.e. #'s made - other perked planes had more than 350 (3 cannon version) made
i.e. to limit usage - well his own published stats blow that away.
i.e. when made - 1944 for a La7?, plenty of perked 1944 aircraft.

Put it this way if it's usage continues at current rate by end of tour it will have over 31000 sorites.
Closest one in the main pack will be at 20,000.
Yes #s wise it DOMINATES in usage, one of the reasons for perking I beleive.

I'll bet now - unchecked it will continue to increase.

[RTO]

Kev367th...........Bullzeye !!  >S<

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Matrix
Kev367th...........Bullzeye !!  >S<

Thanks.

I actually think HT made a mistake posting the usage figures, it shows just how bad things are getting.

[RTO]

I couldn't agree more,  nothing like a self-inflicted gun shot  wound.  As with many other aspects of this game that have been addressed in these forums by the subscribing community,  some which have validity, this whole discussion is just another to add to that growing list.

[Loddar]

Somebody asked the real newbie
question ever "What plane do i use
first in this game ?"

Many tell Spit V or IX. Why ? Nobody
says La7. I wonder about. it ist fast, has the
gameruler 20mm and maneuver
fantastic. La7 is the newbie plane of the game.

[LYNX]

Originally posted by Loddar
Somebody asked the real newbie
question ever "What plane do i use
first in this game ?"

Many tell Spit V or IX. Why ? Nobody
says La7. I wonder about. it ist fast, has the
gameruler 20mm and maneuver
fantastic. La7 is the newbie plane of the game.

In Bishville you often hear the newbs ask whats the fastest plane or whats the best plane.  Increasingly the reply says LA7.  Not all the time but increasingly.  It kinda annouys me because the best plane is the one you can land in:aok