mmmmriiiiiight.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Raider179
Nothing has come of them?

http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=51&num=13266

Hmmm Nigeria for example?

US oil services group Halliburton will pay 7.5 million dollars to settle charges of misleading accounting when Vice President Dick Cheney was in charge, regulators said. Cheney, who is not accused of any wrongdoing, gave sworn testimony to the Securities and Exchange Commission and "cooperated willingly and fully" in the investigation, the SEC said in a statement. The company struck a deal to pay 7.5 million dollars while former Halliburton financial controller Robert Muchmore agreed to pay 50,000 dollars, it said.

All I am saying is Halliburton profits off illegal activities. And Cheney has 433,000 shares of stock. That pretty much sums it up.

Interesting.  Did you read the article?  Haliburton changed their accounting methods in 1988/89 ish, and the SEC felt mislead because they/nor Haliburton's investors were told of the accounting change.  The article states that the new accounting method was in line with "generally accepted accounting principles".  The issue was with disclosure of the change over.

So how again, does their failure to disclose to the SEC a change in their accounting practices, have anything to do with Hailiburton profiting off illegal activities?  WHAT illegal activities to whit are you referring to?  An accounting change has exactly what to do with what you are trying to pin on Cheney??

I mean geeeez...don't you guys even read the articles or just he headlines and the first paragraph.

[Raider179]

Oops sorry forgot this part...

 4 December, 2004

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4067549.stm

Halliburton's Nigerian operations were also the focus of Swiss prosecutors' attention on Friday.

Geneva magistrate Daniel Dumartheray confirmed he had ordered the freezing of bank accounts at the request of a French judge investigating allegations of bribery by Halliburton contractors in Nigeria in the 1990s.

Swiss newspapers reported the accounts contained $100m. The magistrate declined to comment on the sums involved or the owners of the accounts.


Lets not forget the gas overcharge...

Thursday, 17 March, 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4359765.stm

A former employee of a Halliburton subsidiary has been indicted on charges of defrauding the US military of more than $3.5m for fuel in Iraq.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Raider179
Oops sorry forgot this part...

 4 December, 2004

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4067549.stm

Halliburton's Nigerian operations were also the focus of Swiss prosecutors' attention on Friday.

Geneva magistrate Daniel Dumartheray confirmed he had ordered the freezing of bank accounts at the request of a French judge investigating allegations of bribery by Halliburton contractors in Nigeria in the 1990s.

Swiss newspapers reported the accounts contained $100m. The magistrate declined to comment on the sums involved or the owners of the accounts.


Lets not forget the gas overcharge...

Thursday, 17 March, 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4359765.stm

A former employee of a Halliburton subsidiary has been indicted on charges of defrauding the US military of more than $3.5m for fuel in Iraq.

You REALLY don't read this things that you post do you?

FROM your article

Geneva magistrate Daniel Dumartheray confirmed he had ordered the freezing of bank accounts at the request of a French judge investigating allegations of bribery by Halliburton contractors in Nigeria in the 1990s.

Ok, so an employee of Haliburton is accused of Bribery.  If one would continue reading, you would see that

Swiss newspapers reported the accounts contained $100m. The magistrate declined to comment on the sums involved or the owners of the accounts.

Halliburton has said it has ended links with the subjects of the investigation.

Now exactly how is a corrupt employee Cheney's fault? And WHAT does that have to do with anything, and/or the point you are making about Cheney's conflict of interest? The company I used to work for arrested a guy for selling customers screen names to spam companies. Is that somehow the CEO of AOL Time Warner’s fault? What about Steve Case the EX CEO of AOL Time Warner? Show me how it's HIS fault some guy in a company he USED to run did something fraudulent.


Let's see, reading the article on the second link about gas fraud, hmmm...ok, let's see, corrupt employee, hmmm..... looks like someone lined his or her pockets a bit, ok, but HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHENEY?

I mean seriously, ya' really need to think it all through before you post stuff. I don't have the slightest idea HOW you can tie in an employee from a former company he USED To run, to Cheney and conflicts of interest.

Are you somehow surprised that people are corrupt in business? Is this a news flash for ya' or something? JUST learning about that whole "white collar crime" thing are we?

I'll tell you what it is; it's that first sentence in both those articles that is throwing you.
Let me clue you in on something (lean in),
closer...
(whispers) just because both articles open with "Halliburton, once run by US Vice President Dick Cheney" does NOT mean that either article has anything to do what so ever with Dick Cheney. (OMFG) no way! But, but Lute, it SAYS he used to run that company once upon a time, so there HAS to be a connection to the current administration!! There just HAS to!!


(sigh)

[airbumba]

Haliber. and it's subs and therefore it's employees are still in court, I'll take Jeezy's answer, and wait for the result of the pending cases.

[Gunslinger]

Raider have you ever served in the military?  I don't ask this question in any way shape or form to assault your patriotism or love for country.

I ask because If you were in the military you would know that the military paying more for gas and basic auto parts and tools and food is the rule and not the exception.

in EACH OF THOSE ARTICLES NOTHING INDICATES CHENY DID ANYTHING WRONG.

If the DOD got wrongfull influence from the executive branch the IG would investigate and prosicute for wrong doings.  

Haliburton and B&R have done great things for the US military abroad.  Yes they've screwed up just like any corporation with ALOT of subsidiaries.

ALOT of GIs in Iraq loved it when Haliburton ran the "services" section of their forward bases.  Liberals made a stink and alot of those service postions went away or got recontracted.  After that the food and services on base sucked.  I have heard this from a bunch of GIs that were there that saw it with their own eyes.

Haliburon and B&R have worked with the military since before Bush, clinton, and bush.  This is grasping


The irony here is you have all these liberals and organizations calling Gitmo a "gulag" even though they get fed better then most GIs serving in Iraq right now.  Yet when conditions are attempted to be improved apon the liberals scream again

[Raider179]

Originally posted by WMLute
You REALLY don't read this things that you post do you?

FROM your article


Ok, so an employee of Haliburton is accused of Bribery.  If one would continue reading, you would see that


Now exactly how is a corrupt employee Cheney's fault? And WHAT does that have to do with anything, and/or the point you are making about Cheney's conflict of interest? The company I used to work for arrested a guy for selling customers screen names to spam companies. Is that somehow the CEO of AOL Time Warner’s fault? What about Steve Case the EX CEO of AOL Time Warner? Show me how it's HIS fault some guy in a company he USED to run did something fraudulent.


Let's see, reading the article on the second link about gas fraud, hmmm...ok, let's see, corrupt employee, hmmm..... looks like someone lined his or her pockets a bit, ok, but HOW DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHENEY?

I mean seriously, ya' really need to think it all through before you post stuff. I don't have the slightest idea HOW you can tie in an employee from a former company he USED To run, to Cheney and conflicts of interest.

Are you somehow surprised that people are corrupt in business? Is this a news flash for ya' or something? JUST learning about that whole "white collar crime" thing are we?

I'll tell you what it is; it's that first sentence in both those articles that is throwing you.
Let me clue you in on something (lean in),
closer...
(whispers) just because both articles open with "Halliburton, once run by US Vice President Dick Cheney" does NOT mean that either article has anything to do what so ever with Dick Cheney. (OMFG) no way! But, but Lute, it SAYS he used to run that company once upon a time, so there HAS to be a connection to the current administration!! There just HAS to!!


(sigh)

Maybe you just don't read my posts. I said Halliburton profits off illegal acivity, which was just shown. (Nigeria, and overcharging. I didnt say it was cheney's fault. I said...

"All I am saying is Halliburton profits off illegal activities. And Cheney has 433,000 shares of stock. That pretty much sums it up.

You are the one that wants to tie a link between illegal activity and Cheney. Not me. I am just pointing out that Halliburton is corrupted and Cheney makes a profit off of them through his stock options.

So find the quote where I said Cheney was involved in illegal activity during his time at Haliburton and get back to me...


Ohhh I see now. You were already in a cheney = illegal with Sandman before I came along into this thread. Someone asked why do people suspect Cheney and I posted why. You'll notice I didnt say he did anything illegal. Improper maybe but illegal not that has been found.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Raider have you ever served in the military?  I don't ask this question in any way shape or form to assault your patriotism or love for country.

in EACH OF THOSE ARTICLES NOTHING INDICATES CHENY DID ANYTHING WRONG.

The irony here is you have all these liberals and organizations calling Gitmo a "gulag" even though they get fed better then most GIs serving in Iraq right now.  Yet when conditions are attempted to be improved apon the liberals scream again

1) No

2) See my above post to Lute. I never said Cheney did anything illegal. Halliburton as a company on the other hand are all over the place.

3) I already said the new GITMO price tag is way too high and that a tent city should be fine for them.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Raider179
Maybe you just don't read my posts. I said Halliburton profits off illegal acivity, which was just shown. (Nigeria, and overcharging. I didnt say it was cheney's fault. I said...

"All I am saying is Halliburton profits off illegal activities. And Cheney has 433,000 shares of stock. That pretty much sums it up.

You are the one that wants to tie a link between illegal activity and Cheney. Not me. I am just pointing out that Halliburton is corrupted and Cheney makes a profit off of them through his stock options.

So find the quote where I said Cheney was involved in illegal activity during his time at Haliburton and get back to me...

The topic at hand was (IS) how it's a conflict of interest for Haliburton to get awarded contracts because Cheney used to be in charge of it.  Granted, you have nothing to show that there is anything factual to that statement and your post prove that.  You are unable to produce anything having to do with Cheney being involved with these bids.  Bids I might add, Halliburton would get no matter who is in charge.  The V.P just doesn't have a single thing to do with who gets these govt. contracts.

Your statement alludes to an opinion that you seem unwilling to just come out and say.  So I will ask this...  Cheney has 433,000 shares of stock, that sum's WHAT up?  Please explain just what you are getting at.  Or, just come out and say it if you think it's true that his stock ownership shows a conflict of interest.  Show some intestinal fortitude.  Quit HINTING at it, just flat out say it.  We all (well, not ALL of us I guess, many here that don't need things like facts to start slinging out posts) know your wrong, and sure, we might giggle and point, but hey, if that's your opinion, you don't have to back it up.  You can believe what ever you want.  It doesn't HAVE to be based on things like reality, or truth, or any some such thing.  

You can think it.  

It's ok.

You're wrong, but that's ok.

(p.s. in one of the above articles, it states that any profits from Cheney's stock from the time he became VP are being donated to charity.  I guess you have an issue with charitable donations as well?  We better investigate and make sure the Red Cross or Jerry's Kid's do not get any Federal Funding, after all, Cheney IS donating his Haliburton stock profits to them, so there HAS to be something corrupt going on, there just HAS TO!!)

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Raider179
1) No

2) See my above post to Lute. I never said Cheney did anything illegal. Halliburton as a company on the other hand are all over the place.

3) I already said the new GITMO price tag is way too high and that a tent city should be fine for them.

gotcha,

but on no.3  We can't even feed these prisoners MREs because that's considered inhumane.   even though that's what GIs in Iraq are fighting in tent city would draw the wrath of the bleeding heart organizations around the world big time.

Also,

You can't isolate a prisoner from the rest in tent city.  just my $.02

in many ways I think we are treating these guys WAY too good.  now they are getting a new "crib" to boot.  They allready have it better than most US prisoners yet it is a "gulag"

[Raider179]

Originally posted by WMLute
The topic at hand was (IS) how it's a conflict of interest for Haliburton to get awarded contracts because Cheney used to be in charge of it.  Granted, you have nothing to show that there is anything factual to that statement and your post prove that.  You are unable to produce anything having to do with Cheney being involved with these bids.  Bids I might add, Halliburton would get no matter who is in charge.  The V.P just doesn't have a single thing to do with who gets these govt. contracts.

Your statement alludes to an opinion that you seem unwilling to just come out and say.  So I will ask this...  Cheney has 433,000 shares of stock, that sum's WHAT up?  Please explain just what you are getting at.  Or, just come out and say it if you think it's true that his stock ownership shows a conflict of interest.  Show some intestinal fortitude.  Quit HINTING at it, just flat out say it.  We all (well, not ALL of us I guess, many here that don't need things like facts to start slinging out posts) know your wrong, and sure, we might giggle and point, but hey, if that's your opinion, you don't have to back it up.  You can believe what ever you want.  It doesn't HAVE to be based on things like reality, or truth, or any some such thing.  

You can think it.  

It's ok.

You're wrong, but that's ok.

(p.s. in one of the above articles, it states that any profits from Cheney's stock from the time he became VP are being donated to charity.  I guess you have an issue with charitable donations as well?  We better investigate and make sure the Red Cross or Jerry's Kid's do not get any Federal Funding, after all, Cheney IS donating his Haliburton stock profits to them, so there HAS to be something corrupt going on, there just HAS TO!!)

You asked this..."All kidding aside, I've been trying to figure it out for 4 years now. No one can provide me with a reasonable explanation either. I do get a lot of "OH MY GOD! Cheney<---->Haliburton! OH MY GOD, DON'T YOU GET IT? But no substantive expalnations."

All I did was answer it. I gave you the basis of why it looks shady. The "reasonable explanation" you asked for. Do I think Cheney is giving away contracts to Haliburton that other companies should be getting? I Think its possible, but very unlikely he has any way to influence those decisions.  Being in Iraq and Afghanistan is good for the old Halliburton Coffers.  Just being at war is enough to boost the old coffers. Be nice if he does donate that stock away to charity.

[rpm]

Halliburton already admitted overbilling in Iraq. They were "estimating" and have had to refund the overages.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by JB88
many many many people either work for the executive branch or are appointed by the executive branch or have a deep loyalty to it.

Ummmm... nobody appointed by the executive branch controls the purse strings. These are elected officials. Senators and congressmen. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

Originally posted by JB88
even if there isnt any "sway" happening then the DOD needs to get its head out of its rear and understand that there is a severe perception of favoritism happening here.

I'm sure they don't have any idea this is going on. They are completely blind to it. Either that or they are picking the best company for the job.

Originally posted by RPM
Halliburton already admitted overbilling in Iraq. They were "estimating" and have had to refund the overages.

Wow... this is how that was. You see, I thought they bid a contract based on rates per function and then afterwards someone came in and inspected what was done and adjusted the contract billing. Some would even see this as standard practice if they had ever worked in an environment with a 2nd and 3rd party billing system. I can see you are not one of those folks.

And... what does that have to do with Cheney again?

There's alot of smoke being thrown out there right now... all of it to hide the basic fact that nothing in regards to halliburton has changed since chaney has been in office. Nobody has even come close to addressing that basic point. Instead, we get stories about how corrupt halliburton is and how someone bribed someone in Africa. Of course... none of it's really relevant to the discussion at hand, but it makes people look informed when they're starting to be uncovered as clueless.

[JB88]

mini d.

what do you believe?

one sentence.

[airbumba]

Originally posted by Gunslinger


in many ways I think we are treating these guys WAY too good.  now they are getting a new "crib" to boot.  They allready have it better than most US prisoners yet it is a "gulag"

I read about that sherif in the desert prison, where's that, Arizona? With that prison where they wear stripes and get no tv ,etc. send 'em there, it's the desert anyway, should remind them of home.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by airbumba
I read about that sherif in the desert prison, where's that, Arizona? With that prison where they wear stripes and get no tv ,etc. send 'em there, it's the desert anyway, should remind them of home.

yes and as soon as they hit US soil the ACLU files a motion in a liberal federal court to have them released imediatly.