mmmmriiiiiight.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raider179
3) I already said the new GITMO price tag is way too high and that a tent city should be fine for them.

Raider, I'm in agreement with you regarding quartering the bad guys in Gitmo.

I see no reason why they should be living better than the "road warriors" that spent their night in the Holiday Inn Express.

However, give me an honest reply as to what you think the world reaction would be if we quartered them as Sheriff Joe Arpaio does in his Maricopa County tent city?

The prisoners at Gitmo already live in far better surroundings with far better food than the Maricopa County prisoners and look at how Amnesty is blasting us for that treatment.

So what do you think would be the world reaction?

Again, I agree with you that tents shoud be enough, but my concern is we paint ourselves as ever more EvIl AmReEkAns if we do that.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Toad
Raider, I'm in agreement with you regarding quartering the bad guys in Gitmo.

I see no reason why they should be living better than the "road warriors" that spent their night in the Holiday Inn Express.

However, give me an honest reply as to what you think the world reaction would be if we quartered them as Sheriff Joe Arpaio does in his Maricopa County tent city?

The prisoners at Gitmo already live in far better surroundings with far better food than the Maricopa County prisoners and look at how Amnesty is blasting us for that treatment.

So what do you think would be the world reaction?

Again, I agree with you that tents shoud be enough, but my concern is we paint ourselves as ever more EvIl AmReEkAns if we do that.

I dont see how it could make us look any worse than we do by not having trials. We already are the evil americans according to a large part of the world. I don't think there is a whole lot bush can do to make it any worse. All you are gonna hear is "See told you", after all what are they gonna do Sanction us? lol

 Now the real reason why I think they are building them nice quarters. I think Interregators have realized that rough treatment and living conditions do not really pan out to getting good intelligence out of the combatants. WW2/Vietnam/Korea POW treatment seems to show that the worse you treat combatants/prisoners the less actual intelligence you really get.

[Toad]

We differ then. I think putting them in Maricopa County tent jails would be a press heyday for another two months and I don't think that would help at all.

OTOH, when the "Homeboys" see their buds living in the Holiday Inn Express with A/C, clean water, clean sheets, laundry service and three squares a day.... they may decide to get caught on purpose.  

[Maverick]

FWIW Sheriff Arpaio has told the inmates and future inmates of the Maricopa County jail that if they don't like it there they can go get arrested in some other jurisdiction.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Maverick
FWIW Sheriff Arpaio has told the inmates and future inmates of the Maricopa County jail that if they don't like it there they can go get arrested in some other jurisdiction.

LMAO  

I love that attitude.

Not just that but he also makes them wear pink boxer shorts as well.  



FWIW,

I think both raider and toad have good points.  Make nice with somone and they might actually open up to you.  treat somone like a dog long enough they are going to act like a dog and do what ever you tell it.  Both might work.  

This whole "world opinion" is a sham.  If we gave them trials (wich they don't rate) they would be called a sham and denounced as biased.

[Scooter]

Originally posted by Sandman
Cheney is the vice president and former CEO of Haliburton. Not sure of the amount, but estimates of his stock in Haliburtion exceeds $60 Million.

Keep in mind... This Haliburton no-bid nonsense started when he was SECDEF.

Is he doing anything illegal? Hard to say, but it smells funny.

the truth is no other company is bidding on theSand  do you know what a "no-bid contract" is?


It means that  one company bids on a contract and no other company places a bid.

Biders must meet several crietera.

1.  They must have the ability to do the work and meet all the required scopes for the job.

2. They must have proven that they have done the same type of work in the past.

3. They may be required to post a bond in the event they fail to compleate the work.

4. They must be large enough to survive if they bid to low for the work.


The populer misconception is that H just gets the work becouse the goverment is playing faverits. job becouse they can't meet the requirments.

We also award no bid work on the construction of our submarines, guess why, only one company can meet the requirments.

There are many no bid contracts awarded due to the very specilized nature of our goverments requirments.

No other company is bidding on the work therefor a “no-bid” contract is awarded, boring and not a bit sinister, but that doesn’t make the anti NeoCons happy to report, so they don’t.

[Gunslinger]

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There you go injecting common sense into a subject that doesnt need any to be a news story.

[JB88]

so...if cheney is vice president and he knows what is going to happen so he invests his money according to that...what does that mean?

legally that is.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by JB88
so...if cheney is vice president and he knows what is going to happen so he invests his money according to that...what does that mean?

legally that is.

That didn't, nor would ever happen.

How about if cheney suddenly found a cure for cancer, and sprouted wings and sprinkled his magical cancer curing pixie dust all across the world, thus curing humanity of cancer.

What if?

What if we stuck to the topic at hand and produced things that backed up the ridiculous accusation that Cheney has some control over govt. contract bids.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by JB88
so...if cheney is vice president and he knows what is going to happen so he invests his money according to that...what does that mean?  legally that is.

According to the Center for public Integrity,

In 2004, Cheney had income of between 15k and 50k from Halliburton as deferred salary

That same year, he had investment income from 4 different Vanguard group mutual fund investments of between 100,000 and 1,000,000 each.  

Another 7 mutual fund investments each made between 15k and 50k.

Another five investments made between 5k and 15k each.

Another 7 investments made at least $250.

[JB88]

ok.  

now how about favors.  how does that figure in?

[Holden McGroin]

According to the Center for Public Integrity, he ain't makin' money on 'em.

Just because the government bought from Ford in the 60's, does that make Robert McNamara corrupt?

[JB88]

nope.

but what i am reffering to in my question is slushola money.

kickbacks and favors.

im talkin about ka-ching.

war profiteers and the like.

campaign donators and thier ilk.

money changers in the temples.

[Holden McGroin]

show me some evidence.

[JB88]

or alternatively you might show me the contrary...that public opinion is not starting to sour at these and other revelations.

show me how haliburton is the only company qualified to build prisons.  (in a society which is becoming increasingly adept at building them)

show me how companies arent getting rich on our tax money and at the expense of american's lives.

we have been hearing things about haliburtons activities for years and i would at least think that we might hope for better oversite.

its odd to me that the same corporation that is managing the iraq debacle just happens to be operating in iran as well.

i am not a detail person such as you seem to be...a great thing btw...so youll have to forgive me for not wanting to forage through facts and figures that others are consistantly propping forth with much sense of accomplishment.