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Offline JB88

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« on: June 17, 2005, 12:49:17 AM »
Halliburton to build new $30 mln Guantanamo jail

Thu Jun 16, 7:21 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Halliburton Co. unit will build a new $30 million detention facility and security fence at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the United States is holding about 520 foreign terrorism suspects, the Defense Department announced on Thursday.
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The announcement comes the same week that Vice President
Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld defended the jail after U.S. lawmakers said it had created an image problem for the United States.

Critics have decried the indefinite detention of Guantanamo detainees, whom the United States has denied rights accorded under the Geneva Conventions to prisoners of war. The prison was called "the gulag of our times" in a recent Amnesty International report.

An air-conditioned two-story prison, known as Detention Camp #6, will be built at Guantanamo to house 220 men. It will include exercise areas, medical and dental spaces as well as a security control room, the contract announcement said.

The contract announcement did not specify whether the new prison would also hold foreign terror suspects.

Under the deal with the Norfolk, Virginia-based U.S. Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic, the work is to be wrapped up by July 2006. It is part of a larger contract that could be worth up to $500 million if all options are exercised, the Defense Department said.

The project is to be carried out by Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root Services of Arlington, Virginia. It includes site work, heating ventilation and air conditioning, plumbing and electrical work, the
Pentagon said.

The first prisoners arrived at the prison camp in January 2002 after the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacked airliner attacks on New York and the Pentagon.

The Pentagon has said about 520 detainees from more than 40 countries are being held at the prison, without giving a precise figure.

Rumsfeld said on Tuesday U.S. taxpayers had spend more than $100 million on construction costs and no other facility could replace it.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2005, 12:52:24 AM »
...and to think some people think Cheney might be corrupt. I don't see it...
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 12:55:46 AM »
I'll say two things here:

1) Cheney has no say in who get's that contract. None.

2) This posting articles without any comment on them is getting old quickly.

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2005, 12:56:12 AM »
ah, yes. The new Syrian Wing.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2005, 12:57:34 AM »
What the article fails to mention is whether this was a no-bid contract or not.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2005, 12:58:57 AM »
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I'll say two things here:

1) Cheney has no say in who get's that contract. None.


You're certain?
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2005, 01:02:26 AM »
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Originally posted by Mini D
I'll say two things here:

1) Cheney has no say in who get's that contract. None.

2) This posting articles without any comment on them is getting old quickly.


a.  not true.  he has a whole hell of a lot of sway.

b. sorry if you feel that i need to add my two cents to the passing, but then critics get old fast too.

just the messenger.

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p.s.  bedard is a great graphic artist.  my personal favorite of his works is entitled "the failure of communism" where two ducks have painted themselves into a corner....followed as a close second by ducks on mars.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2005, 01:07:01 AM »
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You're certain?
Yes. He does not award them. Not in any capacity. Not even in a "no-bid" capacity.

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2005, 01:09:50 AM »
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a.  not true.  he has a whole hell of a lot of sway.
Sway? That's a neet intangeable to grab ahold of. "Sway". Wow... I like the sound of it. It doesn't really mean anything to rebut the "not true" statement, but it's vague and pointless... so it works.
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b. sorry if you feel that i need to add my two cents to the passing, but then critics get old fast too.
Critics?

Join the discussion bud. This is about as close to trolling as it gets. Really.
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just the messenger.
What message are you trying to deliver? I just see you copying and pasting.

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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2005, 01:16:13 AM »
darling, in case youve been in a coma please let me inform you (and i think that others will corroberate this) that i am often found voicing my opinions from the rafters.

there are times however when i cut an paste these articles because i find them interesting and worthy of discussion and rather than starting a flame war based on my own bent,  i simply drop them into the arena for consideration.

in most of them i will interject my opinion at some point but not always.

besides, you are not the boss of me and i dont recall finding a copy of "BB etiquite" by mini d in any  bookstores best sellers list so youll forgive me if i politely decline a grudge match with an unarmed eunic or anyone else who might consider my style inappropriate.

as for sway.  

well.  im stickin by it.

so there.



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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2005, 01:18:21 AM »
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I'll say two things here:

1) Cheney has no say in who get's that contract. None.

2) This posting articles without any comment on them is getting old quickly.

1) Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

2) Posting legitimate news stories for others to read and comment on are not allowed in the new O'Club? I thought that was one of the chief arguements for reopening it, it's a great news source.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2005, 01:23:10 AM »
Cmon Mini, that's how it works in the political food chain, right down to your local contractor.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2005, 01:32:57 AM »
30 Million for 220 inmates? That is just over 136k / inmate.

According to this 1992 GAO report, Halliburton is charging on the high end when inflation is accounted for.

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Factors That Affect Construction and Operations Costs
Construction costs varied widely among the medium security state and federal prisons we sampled. At the 36 medium security prisons included in our sample (32 state, 4 federal), construction costs ranged from $11,243 to $93,333 per bed and averaged $66,374


at 3%, average inflation since '92, $93,333 grows to $137,000 and taking into account materials are not locally available due to political concerns, 137k/inmate (unfortunately) doesn't sound out of line.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2005, 01:39:18 AM »
don't forget the fruit. we give 'em two kinds of fruit every day.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2005, 01:49:44 AM »
And the pita bread with margarine!
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