Change in 30mm damage?

[Howitzer]

Been trying to learn the tater gun in the 109s, and all previous experience leads me to believe that 1 ping on any fighter will send it down.  Tonight 3 times I hit the front of a plane, saw a flash right in front of the cockpit, and the guy flies away with an oil hit.  Ended up with 3 assists on those planes.  Just seems rather weak... couldn't imagine what that round would do to the front of that plane.


Oh btw, also got discoed 4 times along with the rest of the MA. (I figure this part should bring my whine score up to a 5 as I needed something unoriginal)   =)

[Kweassa]

It's a known issue Howi. It's more of a overall DM problems rather than just with the 30mms. The past discussions on this problem has more or less led to the conclusions that;



1) the DM in AH deals "undamaged" or "damaged" status. No in-betweens or gradual state of damage.

2) when a "damaged" status is dealt out, the 3D model is effected to correspond to the levelof damage. For instance, if a "wingtip" area gains enough damage and is declared "destroyed", the wingtip falls off from its 3D model

3) however, in case of the engine area, there is no damage here. If the engine is declared "damaged", either the engine siezes up or starts losing oil. Since there is no fuel tank near the engine, or since the 3D model doesn't allow the engine block to fall off or something, no damage obtained in this area will cause any kind of instantaneous kill or structural failure.

4) therefore, if by chance you land a 30mm shell somewhere in front of the cockpit, between the cowl and the spinner area, the plane will obtain only engine damage of some sort. In real life, a 30mm hit at that area might even totally separate the engine block from the plane, or cause an instant detonation that might blow up the plane. However, in many cases, not so in AH.

[ghi]

i was trying to take off at A2, when you tested your 30mm on me ,  works fantastic , i blew up like watermelon on the runway,
  now next step, go test it on flying planes

[Schaden]

Firing 30mm alone or with the 13mm?

[storch]

welcome to the frustrating side of AH LW Howie.  I try to aim the taters at the cockpit/wingroot or the tail feathers.  they are typically 1 ping kills.  the taters really mess up buffs though, 2 pings = a wing.  with a good line up and a little rudder work its a formation per pass.

great post kweassa

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Kweassa
In real life, a 30mm hit at that area might even totally separate the engine block from the plane, or cause an instant detonation that might blow up the plane. However, in many cases, not so in AH.

Would a 30mm round do substantial damage? Yeah, mostly to light gauge sheet metal and ribs. I've witnessed 15-20 rounds of 25mm HE (Mk38 Bushmaster gun mount) fired into the engine compartment of a large truck and while superficial damage was impressive, the engine itself was not "blown off" its mounting.

In the 9th AF alone, more than 300 P-47s returned home after being hit by triple A of 37mm and greater. Then again, quite a few were brought down after being hit by lesser caliber weapons.

It all boils down to where it gets hit, the angle of trajectory and a myriad of other factors. Its completely random.

In AH2, I have put more than a dozen 40mm armor piercing rounds (from a Hurri IID) into a B-24 with minimal result. I simply did not hit anything vital (and the 40mm rounds do not explode).

My regards,

Widewing

[AmRaaM]

gotta load up with the new depleted uranium 30mm ammo.

[Howitzer]

LOL yeah sorry about that ghi.  There was a great fight going on, but the rooks managed to take control of it, and by the time I got back over there, all the targets were gone.  You guys were upping so I was using you as target practice to get the feel for these 30s.  

Thanks for the opinions guys, that puts it into perspective for me.  It was funny, I guess damage isn't attributed to the spinner either.  I landed a hit on a 205 in a high angle deflection and I could see it tag right on the tip of the spinner with the same result.  Just frustrating because you only get 65 shots with that thing, if you hit something you want it to count   =)

[LLv34 Jarsci]

Yesterday I hit one G10 with my 30mm cannon right into his tailfeathers. Shot from 6 oc, 200 yrds , totally straight and level shot.... saw the explosion , nice red POOF, right in his tail..

I fired only 2 shots which 1 was a miss I think.

Total damage: he lost his oil and radiator started leaking...

Go figure..

As to HurriD 40mm cannons, theyre just useless. I pumped at least 10 shots at range between 400 yrds to 150 yrds into one panzer IVīs sidepanels and upper rear deck, no damage... 20mm hispanoes can get it even smoking.

[zorstorer]

Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci


As to HurriD 40mm cannons, theyre just useless. I pumped at least 10 shots at range between 400 yrds to 150 yrds into one panzer IVīs sidepanels and upper rear deck, no damage... 20mm hispanoes can get it even smoking.

Come on now  We don't need more sillyness in these threads  Really though the 40mm works just fine vs GV's.  He might have had supplies near by.  I find one pull of the trigger a pass is plenty.  No need to pump good rounds into the ground  Also I am sure conv. is a huge issue with the 40mm's.  I ONLY fire  when the GV crosses into the 400m range.  I have my conv. for the 40mm set at 450, seems to work well for me.

[Wilbus]

A 30 mm hit will bring down about any fighter in AH if you hit anywhere else than the engine. If you hit the engine the engine will die (most of the times atleast) and he will be deadstick.

Bomber are tougher though but put two 30's close together in the wing of a bomber (preferably outer wing) and it will most likely go down.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Wilbus
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Bomber are tougher though but put two 30's close together in the wing of a bomber (preferably outer wing) and it will most likely go down. [/B]

Bombers, don't need 30mm shells, are now eassy to set on fire with few rounds 20mm, .50cal  if you hit them  from above,

[BTW]

I doubt that, but I aint gonna argue. I just ignore bombers until they decide to fix them.

[Wilbus]

Rgr Ghi, they are still tougher then fighters though

B17 have always been quite easy to set on fire if you aim for the right place but I agree, many bombers are set on fire now. Big fuel tanks I guess, easy to hit.

[LLv34 Jarsci]

Originally posted by zorstorer
Come on now  We don't need more sillyness in these threads  Really though the 40mm works just fine vs GV's.  He might have had supplies near by.  I find one pull of the trigger a pass is plenty.  No need to pump good rounds into the ground  Also I am sure conv. is a huge issue with the 40mm's.  I ONLY fire  when the GV crosses into the 400m range.  I have my conv. for the 40mm set at 450, seems to work well for me.

Damn I forgot to tape it. My friend was manning shore battery and watching my attacks. He and I can confirm that I hit most of my shots, convergence is 250. Lots of pings and booms in the tank, but only 2 smoking tanks after ― hour work. lots of assists tho.

M8 needed 2 grenades.