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Offline BTW

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« on: June 21, 2005, 02:57:11 PM »
I trying to make a list of ACM/BFM that are important in Aces High, so that I might be able to go over them with trainers over time. Even if I can't do every one, I'd like to understand every one and their uses.

These are ones I can think of (though I'm not clear on all of them)

Emmelman
Double emmelman
high yo-yo
low yo yo
barrel roll
scissors
rolling scissors
split s
wing over
climbing spiral
barrel roll attack
Hammerhead
Chandel(sp?)


If some of these are redundant or not really needed, and I left out any please list.

Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2005, 03:09:45 PM »
Out of plane Immelman & Split-S?
Lag roll?

IMHO

It's good to know how maneuvers are looking and how maneuvers should perform. This help trainers job a lot.

Also it's essensial for combat you can perform those maneuvers without looking forward.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2005, 03:16:44 PM by Xjazz »

Offline JB73

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2005, 04:22:01 PM »
Immelman

; )
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2005, 04:50:28 PM »
>>Immelman
<<

I meant emoo :D

also is a break turn considered a BFM/ACM?

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2005, 05:03:34 PM »
Most important thing is how you combine them.

Its like in a arcade skate board game... pulling the right combos is what gives you the victory.. ;)

Tex

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2005, 06:19:53 PM »
I plan on using the up, back view, followed by the tower view, a lot in my flying.

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2005, 06:27:51 PM »
>>Most important thing is how you combine them. <<

No doubt, but I really want to check out my basics. What I'm doing and calling a barrel roll might be some sloppy maneuver without a name :D

I really want to check out all the maneuvers over time with a trainer, to make sure I'm doing them right and recognizing them.
Like cooking, the fun part is whipping them up into a dinner, but I just want to make sure my ingredients are right :)

(i love cooking metaphores/analogies)

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2005, 09:15:30 PM »
LoL, dhaus...

I've learned quite a bit in this game, and the main thing is, simply find out what the plane does well then use that.  Zeroes turn better than anything; 109 G-10s BnZ; LAmer 7s run away after a HO attempt that fails (J/K).  Once you know the plane, then choose your tactics.


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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2005, 12:02:16 AM »
I bet 1/2 that list is covered in write ups in the 479th Library and if its not in an article, its probably in the film library. :)

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2005, 03:36:14 AM »
I suggest you start with the basics, then move up to more advanced ACM.  It is important to learn all ACM and know how and when to execute them in any givin engagement.

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2005, 07:01:23 AM »
Brook's How to Fly and Fight in Air Warrior has some good basics on ACM.  Learning the lowest speed at which your plane can go vertical and complete an immelman or loop is key.  Kowing that speed for the enema's plane is equally important.   That will let you know if the double immelman (among other acms) can work.  (One of my favorite moves in AW in a P-38 was the double immel - using flaps a lot.  The ones who followed me on the first could rarely manage the second - they either lost sight of me or stalled out.)

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2005, 10:57:26 AM »
Thanks for posting the link Murdr.
A lot of good info and films there.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2005, 10:59:06 AM »
Dont talk cooking now... Im at work.. starving and litteraly watching paint dry...

But lets talk ACMs.. ;)

Personally I dont think they have to be perfect. As long as you do use throttle managment, rudder and flaps where it applies. After that if you execute it perfectly or not, who gives a damn.

Seriously.

What I would spend time and focus on is thinking through different situation and thinking:

"Where am I, where do I wana go, how do I get there, when do I wana get there and what does it cost."

This is the most important thinking.

The difference in lost E, time and position between doing the wrong manouver at the wrong time is much much bigger then doing the right manouver perfectly or not so perfectly.

People tend to focus so damn much at conserving E through the manouver instead of thinking of which manouver is better to use.

All the talk about "how do I use rudder and flaps to perfect my flat turn" makes me so ill. I know your not a flat turner but still it kind of shows the example well perfecting something that will give you a performance gain of say 3-4% when there are options that will give you 200% gain with 10s as little effort.

So yeah make sure you do them reasonably well, but then focus on...

"Where am I, where do I wana go, how do I get there, when do I wana get there and what does it cost."

What you should focus on especially in your barrell rolls and your immelmans is controlling the "streach" of them. How do you streach your barrell roll as high as possible, how do you tighten it. Learn to start it tight and then streach it to finish it of wide and vice versa.

Imho the barrellroll is THE most underrated ACM and THE most important one in US (non P38) planes, German Planes and Japanese planes.

Tex.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2005, 03:25:38 PM »
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Originally posted by TexMurphy


Imho the barrellroll is THE most underrated ACM and THE most important one in US (non P38) planes, German Planes and Japanese planes.

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Why not in P-38s? *scratches head*



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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2005, 03:58:13 PM »
At least I find barrellroll manouvers soo much more effective in good roll rate planes... Though it might be that my timing is just off in worse roll rate planes...

Tex