Havent we been here before?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
But everyone gets a chance to break out.  Some take it and some dont.  The chances may come more for Americans than Vietnamese, but then thats one of the things that has always attracted people of other nations to come here.  It's the American Dream.  

Skipped most of the post that I agree with.

Believe me - USSR was a true implementation of what is known as "American Dream". My Grandfather, a son of a Ukrainian village blacksmith, became a rocket-artillery officer. Less then 10 years after leaving his village, in 1941, he handled the "most horrible weapon invented by mankind", BM-13 "Katyusha", and after the War he commanded a portable missile and warhead base in East Germany. In any other country he probably had a chance to become a village leader, nothing more, especially in Russian Empire, that had only 2% of population working in industry, and less then 10% of literate people.

In any society that has no "caste" structure like Hindus there is a chance to "break out". Sorry, but it's not an "American dream" but an "American illusion". Another propaganda victory Some societies encourage and support this "break-outs", like Soviet system, simply because it's a matter of survival, not competition where people on top have an advantage.

OTOH Russia lost it's bravest, most energetic people in GPW, like Vietnam, that lost them minesweeping Haifon harbor on kamikaze motorboats... In this field you may have an adbantage and we can't oppose you.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by lada
Dont forget that they have very cheap working class in Vietnam.

Nike produce many things in that Communist country, so you can fell like an cool boy, while you wear those supercool emrekan [made by commies] shoes.


Anyway it seems to me that commies are not bad anymore and it seems to be official point of view in US.

I dont wear nikes or any other chic label shoes or clothing. I didn't know it was suppose to be cool to wear that kind of stuff. I
thought it was just a phase that teeny boppers or Eastern Europeans went through.

I don't beleve the US has eased up on communism by showing a renewed interest in Vietnam. Vietnam is an oppotunity not a threat. Closer relations with Vietnam maybe useful in helping to put the squeeze on the communist party in China. And China seems to be increasinly where US foreign policy is focussed these days.

Imo it's a good move.

Excel

[lada]

Originally posted by Excel1


I don't beleve the US has eased up on communism by showing a renewed interest in Vietnam. Vietnam is an oppotunity not a threat. Closer relations with Vietnam maybe useful in helping to put the squeeze on the communist party in China. And China seems to be increasinly where US foreign policy is focussed these days.

Imo it's a good move.
 

OOhhhhh... communism is bad ok ??... Ok... because communism is baad, we have to be aware of China.. because China is dangerous .. yeess ? .. yesss..

So we will establish friendship with commies in Vietnam so we can fight commies in China ... Ohhh ... that make sense. What a brilian democratic idea.

Anyway i agree with you, that speak with someone and make bussines with someone is much better way to achieve some change in society that throw bombs on him or put zillion of sanctions on them.


Dammm... i forget it all the time... Im sorry i forget that the only people around the globe who are interesting in their  "Image"  are East europians.... Of course.... it make sense, coz they are almost exclusive producent of child porn






btw do you  think, that China is great danger for NZ, as some emrekan ppl here ?

[lazs2]

here's how it works... if your country has to have fences and guards to keep people in..

It's Baaaaaaad.   If you think you might dissapear in the middle of the night and everyone will pretend you never existed.... it's baaaad.

If the only products you can buy are poorly made local ones... it's baaad.

If you can't reasonably expect to own your own home.....

lazs

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by lazs2
here's how it works... if your country has to have fences and guards to keep people in..

It's Mexico?  

If you think you might dissapear in the middle of the night and everyone will pretend you never existed....

You were Darin on Bewitched?

If the only products you can buy are poorly made local ones...

You spend too much time at the flea market?

If you can't reasonably expect to own your own home.....

You might be a redneck?

[lazs2]

yep... either all of those things or...

you simply live in a commie country.

lazs

[Skydancer]

"Believe me - USSR was a true implementation of what is known as "American Dream". My Grandfather, a son of a Ukrainian village blacksmith, became a rocket-artillery officer. Less then 10 years after leaving his village, in 1941, he handled the "most horrible weapon invented by mankind", BM-13 "Katyusha", and after the War he commanded a portable missile and warhead base in East Germany. In any other country he probably had a chance to become a village leader, nothing more,"

You might be right there!

Boroda the "American dream" is just one of those things that looks good on paper or in a soundbite but just doesn't realy exist! Its a figment of their propaganda!

If it isn't American it isn't worth anything!

[Excel1]

Originally posted by lada
btw do you  think, that China is great danger for NZ, as some emrekan ppl here ?

As long as China is run by paranoid totalitarian goons it's going to be a threat to NZ and any other country that opposses it's form of government. It may be relativly benign and insular now, but China is going to get big ugly and mean when it's economic and military capabilities are large enough for it to justify the protection of it's 'interests'. I give it 10 to 20 years. If internal dissent and outside pressure and aggitation causes the communist party to throw in the towel like the Soviets did so much the better it would probably prevent cold war 2.

Thats what I think. And apparently US policy with regards to China is similar. Future proofing; 'why put of 'till tomorrow what you can do today'. The job is only going get harder tomorrow cause the other guy is going to be that much more stronger.  

Excel