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[DREDIOCK]

BTW VOR. your time there about coincides with this story my bro in law keeps spouting off at the mouth about.
Perhaps you can confirm or deny or at least clarify its acuracccy

something like this. Dont remember the exact unit or weapons sytem or co ordinates so I'll just kinda fill em in

A call comes in for a strike on a specific position  the person receing theorder says "but sir thats a friendly position those are our guys."
th eofficer ordering the stroke keeps calling for fire on that position.
the person receiving the call keeps insisting that the position is occupied by our own soldiers.
the officer calling in the strike then ORDERS this person to deliver the strike. whch he does. sure enough it was occupied by our own soldiers.
The person who obayed the order is now in trouble for firing on that position.

Now thats not the EXACT way he tells it but certainly close enough.

You ever hear anything about this or can I have the almost orgasmic  pleasure of telling this..........gentleman he is full of it?

I know he supposedly got the story second hand from his stepdaughter who was serving in the navy at the time(and a very short time at that) and never left the states.

[Boroda]

VOR, I hope your nick is from Barayar series, "Vor is not a thief!"

Here, in a country that enjoys Freedom and Democracy now - I probably can describe the situation in exactly the same words that You used about Mosul. But it doesn't mean that everything was ****ed up as that 15 years ago.

After 15 years of the capitalistic crap we had here - I can say that Freedom and Democracy are incompatible with Water and Electricity. If you'll make Iraq an example to prove that I'm wrong - it will probably the last nail into the coffin of what you call "communism".

[VOR]

Gunslinger, that kind of thing is typical. We hired some guys to wire a building for us and I nearly electrocuted myself when I tried to turn on my shiney new Braun razor. They also built us a crooked sidewalk that fell apart after it rained. The foreman used a rock with a hole through it, a stick and some string as a surveying tool. I kept expecting Yul Brenner to show up and say "So let it be written, so let it be done."

Dreidok, I didn't hear about that one. Not to say it didn't happen, but news of friendly fire incidents usually spread pretty fast through the ranks.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by VOR

Dreidok, I didn't hear about that one. Not to say it didn't happen, but news of friendly fire incidents usually spread pretty fast through the ranks.

Darn!

You deny me a great pleasure on someone who desperately needs it LOL

thanks anyway

[VOR]

Boroda, all I can say is that in my free and democratic home the water runs and the electricity powers my decadent internet service, but at a price to make the proliteriat shudder.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You ever hear anything about this or can I have the almost orgasmic  pleasure of telling this..........gentleman he is full of it?

"Those who served in the Army don't laugh in the circus"

AFAIK here an officer who recieves such an order may request a written order.

I may be wrong. Estel definetly knows better.

Most of such anecdotes are usually no more then horror-stories for boy-scouts.

[Thrawn]

Iraqi civilian infrastructure is crap because the US military targeted it during the Gulf War, that combined with sanctions kept them in a state of disrepair.


http://www.scn.org/ccpi/infrastructure.html#wp

http://www.scn.org/ccpi/WashPostWarDamage23Jun91.html

[Boroda]

Originally posted by VOR
Boroda, all I can say is that in my free and democratic home the water runs and the electricity powers my decadent internet service, but at a price to make the proliteriat shudder.

Price?! Money for basic life-supporting services?!



Seriously: we go all the same way towards the situation when even middle-class (not proletarians like me) will be unable to pay for water and electricity.

There must be a reasonable space between "pay-for-all-to-make-a-big-brother-and-cousins-richer" and "you-have-all-for-free-but-only-after-standing-in-line-for-12-hours" like in Turkmenistan where they have free bread and milk, that means - no bread and milk.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by VOR
If it makes your day brighter, tell him VOR from the AHBBS said BS. That ought to put him in his place.

Well the words of someone whowas actually if not on the scene certainly in the same country certainly carries more weight then a 3rd or 4th hand story told to someone in the states from someone who could barely handle a year and a half in the Navy.

But this guy spews it like its an absolute fact.

[VOR]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Iraqi civilian infrastructure is crap because the US military targeted it during the Gulf War, that combined with sanctions kept them in a state of disrepair.
 

It would be silly to say military action + sanctions didn't play a significant role, but it would be equally silly to say it is THE reason the lights won't stay on.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by VOR
It would be silly to say military action + sanctions didn't play a significant role, but it would be equally silly to say it is THE reason the lights won't stay on.

Really? What was the last time your home town got under massive bombings? Did the bombers target concert halls or a local circus instead of power stations, bridges and water refining facility?

Or maybe they only dropped "humanitarian aid"?

Get real. In Yugoslavia 1999 NATO criminals bombed all (I mean - ALL) bridges across Danube first. Regardless to human shields - people holding hands in a silly hope to save their way of life against a faceless NATO beast...

[VOR]

Boroda, in defense of the locals who gave me my information, I should note that they didn't have internet services so they may not have been privy to why their city was really broken. Besides, I can't and won't speak for any part of the country I didn't see, which is most of it.

[Boroda]

VOR, your point of view is... let me find a right word... supportable?... enjoyable?... well, I mean it's a point of view and attitude from a thinking man that should be respected, and the fact that it exists is a big and appreciated surprise for me.

I only can say that here in Moscow all the disasters will be hanged onto "evil communist regime" (tm) by 99% of the population that will be eager to collaborate with occupants (i mean - with our "democratic" crooks of the 90s), regardless to the fact that it was the same "bloody regime" that built all the stuff and maintained it for 70 years.

I don't mean that 99% of population will be eager to collaborate and I am a freak from the remaining 1% I mean that out of the people who want to collaborate - 99% will do as I described above. Sorry, I have problems with tenses

[john9001]

Originally posted by Boroda
After 15 years of the capitalistic crap we had here - I can say that Freedom and Democracy are incompatible with Water and Electricity.  

sorry boroda, i have freedom, democracy, capitalistic crap AND water and electricity, so maybe you should move out into the real world.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by john9001
sorry boroda, i have freedom, democracy, capitalistic crap AND water and electricity,

Really, We have all that and the only time we cant use the water is during a severe drought. and then you are only prohibited from washing your car or watering your lawn

Hell we even have running water in our deserts lol