Nothing to hide, nothing to fear

[Sandman]

Originally posted by NUKE
These people detained are unlawful enemy combatants. The US has the legal right to detain them for the length of the hostilities.
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This is not relevant.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Sandman
This is not relevant.

It is when you take into context of what I said in the next sentence, which you left out.

Basically, I said the US is treating them as POWs ( not abusing them) under the Geneva convention, even though we don't have too, as they are unlawful enemy combatants.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by NUKE

Basically, I said the US is treating them as POWs under the Geneva convention, even though we don't have too, as they are unlawful enemy combatants.

So... the inspectors will agree with this or not. What's to lose? The media is having a field day with Gitmo prisoner treatment anyway. It can't hurt.

[NUKE]

Well, I see what you are getting at Sandman. The thing is, we don't have anything to gain, only the risk of having them file a false, biased report based on what the prisoners tell them and taken as fact. It wouldn't be objective, in my opinion.

[storch]

jebus jobus n mary BF u really tripped the mod squads trigger there.  and I agree,  let the inspectors in and have lots of film taken.  those guys are being coddled in guantanamo.  it will surely serve as an incentive for others to put aside their jihaddish ways, surrender and join them.

[Sandman]

Would anyone accuse the U.N of being biased if it was a favorable report?

Do you believe we have something to hide?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Sandman
Would anyone accuse the U.N of being biased if it was a favorable report?

Do you believe we have something to hide?

First of all, I couldn't care less about anything the UN would say or do.

And I believe we have nothing to hide and nothing to prove. Keep the stinking UN commision on human rights out. They are not relevent.

[Yeager]

are they from the same ilk that think america leads the world in human rights abuses?  america is the greatest threat to world peace?

those folks are lucky to be out of range, afaic.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
Would anyone accuse the U.N of being biased if it was a favorable report?

Do you believe we have something to hide?

yes,

There is no way the US would get out of inspections unscathed in the world court of opinion.  We could feeding givinb habib unseeded grapes from a virgins bellybutton crack and the world would still paint gitmo as a "gulag" of sorts.

Think about it.  Up untill Abu Gharib sleep deprivation was perfectly exceptable means of extracting information.  Now it is torture.  Ask anyone who's ever had their fingernails ripped out by needle nosed pliers if they'd preferr to have panties put on their head and I'm sure the answer wouldn't be too much of a suprise.

But enough on that I don't want to get off subject too much.  I just think that the US has way too many "wolf in sheep's clothing" type "friends" out their and there's no way we can win.

These "prisoners" have more world sympothy than all the beheaded victoms in Iraq combined.

[Toad]

Well, it's OK if they behead Amreekans. The world expects that and doesn't even attempt to hold them to a higher standard.

But we're talking about sleep deprivation here! That's just not right.

BTW, Guns, when you went through E&E, how long did they sleep deprive you? I got a nice 48 hour taste of it. Not much but enough to make my eyeballs a touch scratchy.

Of course, it ruined me for the rest of my life and I never was able to do any job after that.

[JB88]

Originally posted by NUKE
Well, I see what you are getting at Sandman. The thing is, we don't have anything to gain, only the risk of having them file a false, biased report based on what the prisoners tell them and taken as fact. It wouldn't be objective, in my opinion.

it is much harder to be biased when everything is transparent and in the clear and can be proven by footage and interviews.

i think that those who say that the concern is about bias are wrong.  the concern is that there is impropriety...when that the case best way to handle it is to be transparent and forthcoming.

what we need is to show the world that we are what we think we are.  good people.  we had no problem showing our good deeds with the iraqi prisoners in the first gulf war...it helped us.

if we are not doing the right thing?  well then we will just have to accept that we have made a mistake and own up to it.

we have nothing to lose unless we do in fact have something to hide.

awful hard to argue that really.  

its a reasonable conclusion.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by NUKE
First of all, I couldn't care less about anything the UN would say or do.
 

Ahem... go read some of your posts from the last year or two.

I believe you have stated that one of the reasons that the U.S. was justified in invading Iraq was their failure to comply with U.N. sanctions.

I assume that this is a change of heart.

[Hangtime]

Who cares what the 'world' thinks?

and, just what remarkable act of compassion on our part towards detainees would 'change' it?

The world press can take a hike.. they wouldn't give us 'positive press' regardless of what we do or why. Find one example where the 'world press' in question has EVER given us a fair shake?

Lastly, any marginal benefit gained in the world press by displaying 'club gitmo's' inner workings would simply convince the insurgents and terrorists that they are correct, we are weak, and they have no worries if incarcerated.

I'd rather the folks still at large and on our lists know that when we get our hands on 'em we're gonna make 'em sing.. not give 'em a new kidney, a dental plan, fruit (2 kinds), double vegtables, rice and jello three times a day.

[Sandman]

Compare and contrast...

"We told you. The prisoners are well cared for. Now go away."

"An independent investigator said so. The prisoners are well cared for. Now go away."


Press? They're not supposed to be satisfied, ever. The primary function of the press is to be critical of the government.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Sandman
Ahem... go read some of your posts from the last year or two.

I believe you have stated that one of the reasons that the U.S. was justified in invading Iraq was their failure to comply with U.N. sanctions.

I assume that this is a change of heart.

No change of heart. The UN has always been useless and only magnified that by refusing to enforce it's own resolutions against Iraq, thus justifying US action.