Author Topic: Nothing to hide, nothing to fear (Read 1890 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #60 on:** June 28, 2005, 08:10:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Seeker

I'm certainly uncomfortable with any administration, anywhere, withholding liberty with out charge for such a length of time. Ileagal combatants? Fine; so charge (and try!) them with that then; at least you'd be working in a recognisable format.

Every country in every war has held prisoners and can legally do so. There are no trials, they are unlawful combatants who have been captured in battle. They can legally be held for the duration of the war.

The only difference between lawful and unlawful combatants is that lawful combatants can aslo be held without a trial for the duration of the conflict, but they have to be treated according to the Geneva conventions.

Nothing at all out of the ordinary is going on here. I don't understand what the big deal is about holding captured combatants.

Gato · « **Reply #61 on:** June 28, 2005, 08:41:04 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Every country in every war has held prisoners and can legally do so. There are no trials, they are unlawful combatants who have been captured in battle. They can legally be held for the duration of the war.

The only difference between lawful and unlawful combatants is that lawful combatants can aslo be held without a trial for the duration of the conflict, but they have to be treated according to the Geneva conventions.

Nothing at all out of the ordinary is going on here. I don't understand what the big deal is about holding captured combatants.

I have to agree, 100%.
The problem is not everyone treats legal combatants by the rules set by the Geneva Convention.
Gitmo is not only holding combatants, but terroists, or those with ties to terrist organizations.
Why is there an up roar about this when thugs attack, hijack and behead civilians just trying to do a job? That is NOT the way to fight for freedom in any form of the word.
There are too many eyes on the wrong target! Gitmo is a holding pen for a lot of brutal individuals who want nothing more than to force the whole world back into the dark ages. You can cry for them if they get their way, only you will have to have approval first.

Staga · « **Reply #62 on:** June 29, 2005, 12:02:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Gato

There are too many eyes on the wrong target! Gitmo is a holding pen for a lot of brutal individuals who want nothing more than to force the whole world back into the dark ages. You can cry for them if they get their way, only you will have to have approval first.

Thing is that as a free western country with at least some moral you should show you're civilized nation but sadly it looks like you've fallen in same level with those you're fighting against by killing woundeds and imprisoning enemies for years without giving them possibility to be heard in court and defend themself.
It's sad to see such behaviour from country who has been banging the "drum of freedom" for so long...

NUKE · « **Reply #63 on:** June 29, 2005, 06:50:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Thing is that as a free western country with at least some moral you should show you're civilized nation but sadly it looks like you've fallen in same level with those you're fighting against by killing woundeds and imprisoning enemies for years without giving them possibility to be heard in court and defend themself.
It's sad to see such behaviour from country who has been banging the "drum of freedom" for so long...

Fallen to the same level??? What a joke. We are not torturing people, cutting off their heads, or kidnapping and holding inocent people.

We are simply holding captured combatants and have every right to do so. There are no trials for captured combatants....they are simply help for the duration of the conflict just like any other nation does in any other war.

And the prisoners at Gitmo are gaining weight on their gourmet cooked meals as the gaurds eat MRE's.

lazs2 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 29, 2005, 08:04:22 AM »

staga... There is no danger to the world at gitmo except the terrorists themselves. What I am asking you is... What business is it of the UN?

The UN has far too much power in my opinion anyway. If the people of the US want to know about gitmo we will... I don't want to be told anything by the friggin UN. I never voted for any of em and they are not even US citizens.

I would rather shoot at a blue helmet than an iraqi.. the UN affects, or trys to affect, my life a lot more negatively than most muslims.

lazs

Staga · « **Reply #65 on:** June 29, 2005, 08:40:08 AM »

Nuke you are really funny guy; I bet your mom loves you

Lazs it would be a pleasure to see you and your guns standing between fighting groups trying to keep them from killing each other.
Your vision about UN is, if I may say, quite "limited" and thus I can't take you serious.
Sorry

lazs2 · « **Reply #66 on:** June 29, 2005, 08:43:07 AM »

my "vision of the UN" is that I never voted for any of em and I would be glad to stand between their blue helmets and my people if they came here. I might not really "stand" but I would help make their stay short and unpleasant.

I will vote for anything that lessens their power over me.

lazs

Staga · « **Reply #67 on:** June 29, 2005, 08:53:54 AM »

See Rule #5

lazs2 · « **Reply #68 on:** June 29, 2005, 08:56:50 AM »

Yeah staga.. the US never loses anyone in wars of freedom... the UN is doing it all..

If it is up to me I would move the UN building to some ice bear country and let you guys support it and try to get paid for all it's stuck up members parking tickets.

lazs

Torque · « **Reply #69 on:** June 29, 2005, 10:45:22 AM »

the double standard is par for the course as history has repeatedly shown.

Staga · « **Reply #70 on:** June 29, 2005, 01:31:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
See Rule #5

You might not like it but that's how it is.

lazs2 · « **Reply #71 on:** June 29, 2005, 03:11:24 PM »

I don't know what you said but you can count on my vote if they ever want to decide on moving the UN to ice bear country or not.

lazs

Ripsnort · « **Reply #72 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:12:13 PM »

Oh my, the torture those poor soles are put through in Gitmo, Sandy! Just makes my heart bleed red, white and blue.

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WASHINGTON — An accused enemy combatant held at Guantanamo Bay told a military hearing he was physically as well as mentally tortured there by having to read a newsletter full of 'crap,' being forced to use unscented deodorant and shampoo and having to play sports with a ball that would not bounce.

Majid Khan of Pakistan denied any connection to Al Qaeda and said he was tortured and his family hounded by U.S. authorities, according to a redacted transcript released Tuesday by the Pentagon.

Khan told an April 15 hearing called to determine whether he was rightly classified as an "enemy combatant" that he also had his baby pictures taken from him, that cleaners left marks on his cell walls and that detainees have no DVD players or other entertainment.
At one point, Kan said he wrote on his walls, "stop torturing me, I need my mails, newspaper and my lawyer."

Khan was captured in Pakistan in 2003. The military says he has provided support to Al Qaeda and has expressed a desire to assassinate Pakistan's President Pervez Musharaff. The April 15 hearing is the first step in possible war crimes charges against him.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070515/NEWS07/70515038/1001/NEWS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272492,00.html

Shamus · « **Reply #73 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:58:58 PM »

Playing with a ball that wont bounce can be very frustrating, it could elevate blood pressure and cause psychological problems.

shamus

rpm · « **Reply #74 on:** May 15, 2007, 07:02:54 PM »

Holy dead thread, Batman!!!

What's next, another refs beat the Seahawks whine?