Author Topic: Nothing to hide, nothing to fear (Read 1695 times)

bob149 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:53:12 AM »

If there's nothing untoward going on at gitmo , why hide it ? not letting an inspection team in will only make the accusations of mistreatment all the more believable.......

lada · « **Reply #31 on:** June 24, 2005, 04:47:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
I'd like to read the reports on Iraq (under Saddam); Iran; North Korea; Syria; Zimbabwe; and so on, to make sure these guys are properly qualified to do the job.

Does anyone have any links on their reports from those countries?

I were digging little bit, but i found something else.

Since when is US presence in Iraq part of UN ?
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/cat/us-statereport2005.html#part2

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As of April 1, 2005, MNF-I was detaining approximately 10,000 persons in Iraq. The vast majority of the detainee population is composed of individuals who are held for imperative reasons of security, consistent with UN Security Council Resolution 1546. In addition to security internees, the MNF-I holds a small number of enemy prisoners of war (EPWs) and, on behalf of the ITG, a number of persons suspected of violating Iraqi criminal laws.

Is that document trying to say, that US is doing good job for UN, while UN is supposed to be mastermind, via their resolutions ?

ASTAC · « **Reply #32 on:** June 24, 2005, 06:00:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
This is not relevant.

No. World opinion of the US is not relevent.

One might go further to say....

The UN is not relevent.

Even if GITMO was the bad place the leftists are making it out to be. Don't you think we'd clean up for the inpectors so it looked good? So what would an independent inspection accomplish? Nothing really if you think about it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:15:27 AM »

the UN? Why?

Time to kick the legs out from under the UN in my opinion.

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #34 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:31:26 AM »

Have not yet seen even a little reason to let a single inspector into the place.. ever.

And as long as we don't let any inspectors in there, then the insurgents and terrorists will continue to have something to fear.

This is a GOOD thing. Hope we continue to leak horrible stories of torture.. the 'three squares & double vegtables' kinder and gentler terrorist debriefs have gotta stop!

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #35 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:41:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman

Press? They're not supposed to be satisfied, ever. The primary function of the press is to be critical of the government.

WRONG. The job of the press is to REPORT the TRUTH. That is where the press has gone astray. They don't REPORT the TRUTH, they CREATE STORIES. The bias in the press has made the press a joke, and the backlash is becoming evident. Soon, no one will believe anything printed in the mainstream media unless they've already seen it or heard it themsleves from a more reliable source. In their hunger to get the scoop and further their agenda, they've become blinded by their own ambitions and bias.

Scooter · « **Reply #36 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:11:25 PM »

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What he said...yep!

Skuzzy · « **Reply #37 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:15:54 PM »

Gotta agree with Virgil on that one as well.

Sandman · « **Reply #38 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:50:38 PM »

Truth is relative. The media reports facts, opinions, and sometimes mere speculation.

This will never change.

As for me, I want the media to be biased and critical of the government at all times. The Founding Fathers wanted it this way.

For a historical alternative to this, one need not look further than Germany, circa 1939 or so.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #39 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:26:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Truth is relative. The media reports facts, opinions, and sometimes mere speculation.

This will never change.

As for me, I want the media to be biased and critical of the government at all times. The Founding Fathers wanted it this way.

For a historical alternative to this, one need not look further than Germany, circa 1939 or so.

No, truth is NOT relative. Far from it.

I'm not so sure the Founding Fathers envisioned what we have today that passes for the "press".

Reasoned and fact based dissent is one thing, dissent for the sake of dissent is quite another.

The press should be tasked with the reporting of facts, not making them up to suit their agenda, or choosing them to fit their bias. What you propose defeats the true purpose of the press, and perverts it beyond usefullness.

Sandman · « **Reply #40 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:40:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, truth is NOT relative.

Yes it is.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

No it's not.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #41 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:46:40 PM »

lada · « **Reply #42 on:** June 26, 2005, 05:49:28 AM »

See Rule #5

lada · « **Reply #43 on:** June 26, 2005, 05:54:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Soon, no one will believe anything printed in the mainstream media unless they've already seen it or heard it themsleves from a more reliable source. [/B]

Like Tv ?

Most funny thing about Tv is, that more people consider it more reliable and more truth only because of picture.

There is no better source of informations that Tv with "proper comments".

Do you remember thos pictures from pre-war afghanistan, where you could see woman in black cadors and commentator said..... woman have wear this. Thats horrible

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** June 26, 2005, 09:52:40 AM »

lada... what do you know about anything American much less American TV?

lazs