A solution to Lavochkin La-7 (wheter you like it or not)

[Karnak]

For scenarios I always thought, once I became aware of the performance difference, that there should be a free 1944 La-7 armed with two ShVAK 20mm cannon and a perked 1945 La-7 armed with three B-20 20mm cannon.

[1K3]

or another Solution... COMPROMISE!

how's this...

make 2 La-7s... one free (1944), one perked (1945)

free La-7 use 1944 data with no 3 cannon option

perked la-7 uses 1945 data with 3 cannon option.

(next on tha perk conveyor belt...)

[dedalos]

Originally posted by SlapShot
LOL ... no need to ... it works for all the rest of the LaLa whiners ... "WAAAAAA ... I see way too many La-7s ... WAAAAA they are all over the place ... I can't take it anymore ".

What we don't hear ...

"WAAAAAA .... I was trying to run ... err ... extend ... err ... run ... in my and that stinkin' La-7 bastage no-skilled noob caught me and killed me ... PERK THE LA-7 !!!!11"

Did I write this?

Kind of sums the whole LALA debate

[TheThang]

or the la-7 freaks can start using Yaks. THere better in every way =)

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by 1K3
or another Solution... COMPROMISE!

how's this...

make 2 La-7s... one free (1944), one perked (1945)

free La-7 use 1944 data with no 3 cannon option

perked la-7 uses 1945 data with 3 cannon option.

(next on tha perk conveyor belt...)

Sounds cool to me.

BUT ... it won't fly for those who really want it perked cause it runs them down ... ya see ... a 2 cannon La-7 will run them down just as fast as a 3 cannon version (maybe faster - less weight) ... and cause they have no clue on how to dogfight, they will be shot down just as easily with just 2 cannons.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by TheThang
or the la-7 freaks can start using Yaks. THere better in every way =)

Shhhhhhhhhhhh ... dammit ... next thing ya know ... there will Yaks ALL OVER THE PLACE ... and HT will be forced to perk them too ... remember ... too much usage = PERK THE MO FO.

[BigGun]

How about just leave as is

[Howitzer]

I still don't see why we should perk the 109.  Whenever I see an enemy 109 I will go in on it.  Most don't know how to fly that plane correctly anway.  Unless you run into a pack of JBs, wetrat, or NathBDP(and since we are in the same squad I can see his little orange icon) they really aren't a threat.  Heck, its almost more fun when one tries to drop on you to go nose down and manually trim your nose up before you hit the ground, just to see the n3wb behind you lawndart because noone defined "compression" for him  =)

[1K3]

(off topic)

109 doesnt really compress

The stick force in 109 are just too high at hi speeds (even in RL)

[killnu]

why does one have to be running or extending from the la7?  

see these post"waa waa  i was running and he caught me"  crap...assuming one is running, why?

heck, most times i see la7s alone, they end up running...others are just picking fights in progress...so why just "i was running"?

[dedalos]

Originally posted by killnu
why does one have to be running or extending from the la7?  

see these post"waa waa  i was running and he caught me"  crap...assuming one is running, why?

heck, most times i see la7s alone, they end up running...others are just picking fights in progress...so why just "i was running"?

Because its the runners that cry about it.  If it was about running we would be asking for the D9, 51, TYFF, G10, F4U to be perked.  Cause if they are already fast and have a couple of K of alt, you are not going to catch eny of them unless you are in a lala with 100% fuel.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by killnu
why does one have to be running or extending from the la7?  

see these post"waa waa  i was running and he caught me"  crap...assuming one is running, why?

heck, most times i see la7s alone, they end up running...others are just picking fights in progress...so why just "i was running"?

What Dedalos said ... the majority (NOT ALL) of those that incessantly call for the perking of the La-7 are those who fly the "hit-and-run" genre of planes and go nuclear when the get chased down.

These are the ones that chuckle with delight as the BnZ the crap out of the slower planes and when they make a mistake ... they giggle with delight as they power away ... but when Mr. La-7 is in the neighborhood .... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

A week or so ago I was upping a field that came under attack by at least 6-8 P-51s ... all came in at high alt and vulched and picked till their hearts content. I was even hailed on 200 ... Slap ... I need a couple more kills ... keep upping.

Well ... I did up ... from the next field in a La-7 100% fuel. Flew to the field with moderate alt and killed 4 of em within 2 minutes ... none of them the taunter ... caught a P-51 low and fast out of the corner of my eye trying to NOE over the mountain and out of Dodge. Put my La-7 into a slight dive ... finally caught him after flying 1/2 sector ... guess what happened ... he never tried to reverse ... never tried for an overshoot ... did nothing but stick-stir ... and then he died ... bye bye P-51 taunter ... how sweet it was/is.

[Karnak]

Slapshot,

A couple of points.

The La-7 in service in 1944 was significantly slower than the La-7 in 1945 that we have and in 1944 scenarios that is a far bigger issue than the number of 20mm cannon.

So a 1944 La-7 would be a bit slower and armed with two 20mm cannon.


The second point is that the two and three cannon armaments have the same weight due to the use of the lighter cannons, the heavier ShVAK vs the lighter B-20.

Given what I tend to fly (on those rare times that I do fly nowadays, though the urge to fly is getting stronger again) are the Ki-84 and Mosquito, neither of which could run from an La-5FN, let alone a 1944 or 1945 La-7.  The reason that I think the La-7 is more of a problem than the Bf109G-10, Fw190D-9, P-51D or Typhoon (though the Typhoon is just about as bad potentially) is that while being very fast and having great acceleration it does not give up nearly as much in terms of clasical manuverability as do the others.  Most don't know how to get the most out of a P-51D by using it's flaps.  It is the all round performance package that makes the La-7 so enticing.  The fact that it is more manuverable than most of the planeset and the fastest free fighter combined is what does it.

[killnu]

Because its the runners that cry about it

huh?  take a look at my plane of choice last few tours and tell me im running from anything in a 38G?!

i understand what you guys are saying (ded and slap) but runners are not only ones...i have not been happy with the amount i see because it is not fun flying against horde of la7s all the damn time, little variety would be nice...everyone keeps bringing up 1 vs 1 against la7, that is not what i dont like, heck ill take a 1 vs 1 against anyplane...that means they didnt run and actually fought.   point being, its not just runners...im just tired of seeing skies full of same damn planes, and lately its la7, la7 la7, niki, la7 spit, spit spit la7, la5....just retarded.

i guess im coming to realize not everyone wants to fly a tougher plane(38G for ex) and it is funner for them, because its easier, to fly la7s or nikis for example.  ill get it sooner or later...im just slow.

[JB42]

I think all planes except their base model should be perked. Not to limit their use, but to limit their misuse. After awhile, people would be a little more relunctant to auger their 12 point perked P47d-40 into a fighter hanger.

Even bombers. Perk the Lancaster at about 20 points and see how long they can keep divebombing CV groups with them ( they would lose 60 points for the formation).

This would also make coordination more desirable. They need for bombers and attackers to be escorted. Makes for more realism. A sense that you need to stay alive.

For those of you who think this would lead to more "timid" flying. Well I believe "timid" flying is what people call someone who won't roll over and get shot down fast.