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Offline eagl

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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2005, 01:12:37 PM »
Heh...  I remember a lot of that lazs, even in California.  Not as good as my Dad because he used to be able to walk out his back yard, walk a half mile, and shoot quail or whatever for dinner, and that was in San Mateo CA overlooking SF bay, but nowadays even carrying a gun in a legit hunting area may get you frisked and your gun confiscated if the gun doesn't LOOK right or the BLM jerkwad wants to give you a hard time.

Or is suicidal...  The last time I was hassled, it was a BLM guy who jumped a group of us about 10 miles from the nearest road.  One fed creep hassling 5 heavily armed guys because we had a colt sporter and an olympic arms AR, a mini-14, and 2 10+ round .22s, plus at least one pistol per person including the concealed my Dad was packing.  Despite identifying ourselves as a retired CHP officer, active duty USAF officer, Reserve Army soldier, and 2 regular dudes, this guy wanted to walk off with the sporter and AR.  Everyone had ID, every CA resident had a current CA hunting license, we had no contraband, and weren't even carrying any game since we weren't really out there to kill anything, just target shooting.  No alcohol within 20 miles of us either.

The funny thing is that if we actually WERE criminals so he would have had a legit beef with us, he never would have gotten out of there alive.  As he started rounding up our weapons, we pulled out no fewer than 12 firearms and even after we covered the hood of his truck with a wide variety of guns, he still left 3 of us armed as he tried to dig up a reason to arrest us or confiscate something.  I saw a shovel in his truck so they never even would have found his body, and we were within 2 hrs walking dist from Mexico in a remote and unmonitored area of the border.  He just saw some guys and decided to throw his weight around.  He detained us for an hour while he tried to get confirmation over the radio that he could steal our guns or find a reason to arrest someone.  An hour later, he let us go and he left, feeling somewhat foolish.  I hope on later reflection, he realized that he'd been a jerk and that he was damn lucky to even be alive.  As we were near an old trail that goes straight across the border, any other 5 guys might have lost patience after a few min and shot the idiot before he even called in the rifle serial numbers.

I'm very proud of the fact that not a single one of us lost our temper, or even let on that we were irritated by the whole thing.  After the first 3-4 minutes explaining who we were and why he was wasing our time, including quoting the state law that specifically stated that our firearms were legal, we just sat down and let him waste his time blabbing on the radio and trying to convince the dispatcher to come up with something he could get us for.  He knew he was wrong after the first 3 minutes and we were as polite as our parents taught us to be, but he just wouldn't let it go for some reason.

But yea, we were born free.  Not sure what happened since then but I don't feel all that free anymore.
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2005, 01:31:25 PM »
dunno... I can't help but think you are better of dead than never doing anything..  

I will admit that my youth was spent in self destructive and allmost suicidal ways but... I got through it... Most of the guys I was around are dead tho.  

I am also making no excuses...  we cost everyone around us a lot of grief and expense.

I guess I am saying that I needed to do what I did to get where I am... Can't believe I am unique... What about kids that are like I was...  What do they do these days?  

Is the "good life" really good if you have no perspective?

How important is personal freedom?  Is it everything..... Like I believe or... is it more of a "with rights come responsibilities" kind of thing like skyprancer and most of the brits here believe?

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2005, 01:46:39 PM »
When I was a kid, this was a free country. Yeah, I stole that.

I used to live in that Utopia, minus the drugs. I drank enough to make up the difference.

I wish my kids were growing up like that.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2005, 02:01:05 PM »
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dunno... I can't help but think you are better of dead than never doing anything..  

I guess I am saying that I needed to do what I did to get where I am... Can't believe I am unique... What about kids that are like I was...  What do they do these days?  

Is the "good life" really good if you have no perspective?

How important is personal freedom?  Is it everything..... Like I believe or... is it more of a "with rights come responsibilities" kind of thing like skyprancer and most of the brits here believe?

lazs


Its something all of us wake up to at some point.  You can whine and ***** and moan about how you missed opportunities, or you can realize that everything good you have today is a direct result of something you did already.  Or didnt do.  And that the only way to get more out of life is to experience more OF life.  I dont fit in so well in my family because I'm the one that takes off and does stupid **** with his life.  I've been married and divorced twice.  On my 3rd now, and this ones pretty good.  But I dont regret the others.  Hell, I'm on good terms with almost every woman I ever had a relationship with, although some of em I wouldnt sit in the same room with if I could avoid it (saves on hair loss from me pullin it out lol).  I like to hang out in cheap bars and throw darts, where most of my family doesnt drink (cept one brother).  I guess you could say I'm selfish, which is why I'm lucky to have #3 because she's pretty understanding about who I am and how I act.  Which is not to say I'm not generous too, but I learned to look out for myself a long time ago and old habits die hard.  I like fast cars but I dont have the patience for glamour rods like those in the magazines.  I could spend all day in a junk  yard.  Flying ultralights is still the biggest kick I've ever gotten, but I'm too dang fat for them now lol.  Just cant seem to lose weight like I could when I was in my 20s and early 30s even.  More scars and broken bones than I care to think about.  Had fun gettin em though.  :)  Ah well.

As far as I'm concerned, Personal Freedom is EVERYTHING this country is about.  You just have to remember that each and every one of us is entitled to his or her own freedom as well, and you make sure what you do doesnt step on your neighbor's toes.  Long as you can say that, nothing else should matter.

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2005, 02:04:46 PM »
I echo with the rest here.  I think the youth of this country are FUBAR'ed.

As a SERE instructor, my son gets to enjoy life like I did.  It is about as close as you can get to what it used to be like for him.
eagl, you went through a mini-SERE training, did you get to hangout with those lunatics?

I told him when he went in, "you have one life to live, and every day you do not live it, is a day you will never live again."  He took me literally I think.  Damn, I am proud.  hehe
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2005, 03:06:02 PM »
It's different than even 15 or so years ago when I was in grade school. If a kid did even half the stuff I did back then today he would end up in federal prison...

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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2005, 03:07:38 PM »
Could you repeat that?

Speak directly into the microphone this time....

culero ;)
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2005, 03:16:04 PM »
yep... after the last divorce I seen an add for ultralight lessons...

I thought man I would really like to do that while I was looking up the phone #

On the minus side... being married wouldn't have stopped me either.  I am not saying that you have to do something dangerous... just something you have allways wanted to do.

Dangerous just allways did it for me... still does somewhat.  

I am a selfish, generous, thrill seeker who lacks impulse control.  allways have been but... I enjoy simple things too.

When I got out of  plaster after 2 years I got the biggest kick out of just.... walking... or taking a long hot shower.  

Get a new heart valve.... just waking up seems kinda cool.

I think we need perspective to appreciate things... least I do.

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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2005, 03:19:23 PM »
I remember where I was when President Kennady died, When Bobby Kennady and Martin Luther King died.  The World was different place then.  The World has changed alot....


I remember.

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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2005, 03:58:20 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2005, 04:59:52 PM »
I grew up in rural northern Vermont.

Some of the fond memories I had before I was 18 were:

Going outside almost every single after school in weekend for an activity because we did not lunge in front of TV's then.

Going duck hunting before school, and keeping my shot gun in the principals office after I carried it into school fully exposed and broken open.

Shooting trap in the gravel pit near the down town (inside city limits)

Shooting targets with whatever gun I happened to have in the same pit.

Going to Sherbrooke in my boat to go drinking at 15

The weekend street hockey games

Improv baseball games at Gargener Park

Skating Rink and Hcokey druing the winter

Jumping off 60 foot cliffs into a 10 foot deep river

Going to the strip clubs in Sherbrooke at 16

Playing Hockey in high school and getting in fights during the game and not being suspended from school as a result.

Going fishing during the summer.

Working at my Dad's Construction Business every summer since I was 12

Getting too take two weeks off from school during deer hunting season

Climbing Camels Hump at 12

My first "real girlfriend" at 15

Parties at our camp on the lake that lasted days and consumed 10+ kegs of beer (all before I was 17)

My life was fun back then, it made me who I am now.  I would not trade it for anything, and I definitely agree that kids nowadays are pansy arse babies.

We'll live to regret it when we are retired  :(
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2005, 05:22:49 PM »
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I am glad I am not a 50 year old man with a wife and a minvan and a booze problem I won't admit and a crap job and wearing dockers and thinking that treaveling means seeing old buildings..
Do you know anyone that fits those criteria? BTW no wife here, no minivan, no crap job, currently no Dockers!

Stock up on .22 ammo. Could be a long day. :)
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We drank on the job and every job had somebody selling drugs but I allways had my own anyway... allmost all my work was done on crank or coke and beer. Most of us had been arrested or had warrants but it took a real screw up to lose your drivers licence.

You screwed every woman in sight and never even thought about STD's...
I lived in penury in my youth - thanks largely to our Labour Government and sky high taxation. In a way, my "youth" started in the US at age 24 when a certain company thought I could benefit them by being on their payroll. Well, they were right about that. But what's this about screwing every woman in sight? Well, I "knew" a few key ladies, one of whom arguably saved my life (got me to the hospital in time!). I had an excellent time in the US - not always happy, but always good.

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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2005, 05:33:20 PM »
If Furball and Grun didn't post in this thread...I'd say it'd smell of naphtaline (sp?) :D
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2005, 05:41:21 PM »
Heh...

I just spent 20 minutes typing in a long answer to skuzzy's question about SERE training, and the UBB dumped it.  I don't know if that's a function of the intardnet being crappy sometimes, or the new edit post timeout, but it sucked and you guys missed out on a great survival story because I'm not going to type it in again.  Ah well.
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