This better be false

[Thrawn]

Hijack in progress.

[Eagler]

heard re-enlistment for the army of those who already had an Iraq tour has never been higher.

I think the majority of them know who is right and that we are doing the right thing for the US and the rest of the world by being there.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Hijack in progress.

you are correct.  I appologize.  For the current subject I can only say commanders on the ground have a better perspective of what works and what doesn't in reguards to winning over the insurgancy.  

I'm sure the white house cringes when they see this because it goes against national policy.  OTOH they arent dumb enough to lambast these local commanders for their decisions especially when it produces results.

[Skydancer]

It doesn't realy matter if you are  left or right!

What matters is how you guys sort out this mess. It would be nice to get British troops back home too!

And make no mistake it is a real mess. Seriously I think you have to be blind or overdosed on propaganda not to start to see this.

Follow this link to the next big thing in Iraq to see what I mean.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1514897,00.html

Civil war anyone?

Didn't notice US troops intervening in Yugoslavia's civil war, Wonder if the US will stick around for Iraq's

( wonder if this post will be allowed to stay? )

[Yeager]

Seriously I think you have to be blind or overdosed on propaganda not to start to see this.
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Sounds like propaganda to me

[oboe]

I have to concede to Grun and Yeager- I think they are most likely right; that letter is probably faked.   It does read a little too well -almost like a poster-soldier for liberal servicemen.    It is suspicious, I grant that.

[Gunslinger]

real or fake it still only represents one veiw point.  A minority view among service men at that.

[Nash]

The fact that this administration, in a time of war, is calling half of its citizens including those serving, weak.... well, it's absurd. .

What do I think? Support for the war has absolutely tanked. It is just going to get worse in the coming months. Their rosy picture "last throes" talking points aren't working anymore because people just aren't buying it. What to do? Go on the attack.

I think Rove's remarks portend a strategy to divide the nation even more solidly, and shore up support for the war by trying desperately to paint those opposed to it as being unpatriotic. This is not a new idea, but I've never heard it coming directly from the White House. That to me is significant.

And that's the theme they appear to be going with. Coming to a television set near you.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Nash
The fact that this administration, in a time of war, is calling half of its citizens including those serving, weak.... well, it's absurd.

Quote/source please?

What do I think? Support for the war has absolutely tanked. It is just going to get worse in the coming months. Their rosy picture "last throes" scenarios aren't working anymore because people just aren't buying it. What to do? Go on the attack.

that I can agree with

I think Rove's remarks portend a strategy to divide the nation even more solidly, and shore up support for the war by trying desperately to paint those opposed to it as being unpatriotic. This is not a new idea, but I've never heard it coming directly from the White House. That to me is significant.

again source/quote?  This is funny considering democratic efforts to undermine this administrations every efforts to wage effective war.  There record on any kind of comprimise on anything as of late is abismal to say the least.

And that's the theme they appear to be going with. Coming to a television set near you.

THE DNC, If you say it loud and long enough people will beleive it.  Especially if you are talking about big bad evil conservatives.

[Nash]

I put a source for your first question in my post.

The second, regarding the White House strategy is just my gut instinct. Could be wrong.

I'd like you, however, to give me a source for: "...democratic efforts to undermine this administrations every efforts to wage effective war." You mean like not voting for it? Not funding it? What are you referring to?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Nash
I put a source for your first question in my post.

The second, regarding the White House strategy is just my gut instinct. Could be wrong.

I'd like you, however, to give me a source for: "...democratic efforts to undermine this administrations every efforts to wage effective war." You mean like not voting for it? Not funding it? What are you referring to?

fair enough but I don't see how this administration called half it's citizens weak.

Are we talking about Rove here or Bush?

[Nash]

Rove is the deputy chief of staff in charge of policy in the administration, Gunslinger.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Nash
Rove is the deputy chief of staff in charge of policy in the administration, Gunslinger.

I dont doubt that.  What he says the administration is responsible for.

“Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.” Conservatives, he said, “saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.”

I don't think he's calling them weak I think he's calling a spade a spade.  Nash do you disagree with the nature of his comment or the comment itself.  I sited several examples in this thread of prominent democrats confirming EXACTLY what he is talking about.

Personally with all the diarea of the mouth that's been spewed by all the liberals as of late (to specifically include the head of the DNC) I wouldnt say this is at all unfair unfounded or uncalled for.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I don't think he's calling them weak I think he's calling a spade a spade.

Oh? Lets see how his remarks squares with reality:

CBS/New ork Times poll taken 2-3 days after the attack.

Should U.S. Take Military Action Against Those Responsible?
                              All       GOP     Dem      Ind
Yes                        85%    93%     86%     76%
No                           6          4          4          11
DK/NA                      8          3          9          13

So what do we have here? Oh, 4% of Democrats wanted therapy for the attackers. And 4% of Republicans also wanted therapy for the attackers.

Tell me again how Rove's remarks square with reality?

(damn, formatting sucks... see the link I posted earlier.

[Gunslinger]

It wasn't just theropy it was "indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.”

There's a ton of these examples.  Not to mention the petition from moveon.org

I heard it myslef.  Liberals were all about "why they hate us" and we need to find an understanding with them.

Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): “Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, ‘Uh-Oh, We’ve Got Some Problems With These People,’ … I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming.” (Ethan Wallison, “War A Challenge For Peace Caucus,” Roll Call, 10/1/01)

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): “I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States.” (Eddy Ramirez, “Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution,” [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)

Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That “America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown.” (Adam Nagourney, “Say It Loud,” The New York Times, 12/1/02)

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To “Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown.” “‘One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown,’ Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade.” (Malie Rulon, “Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots,” The Associated Press, 3/6/03)

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would “Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day” That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. “‘How much longer does the bombing campaign continue?’ Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. ‘We’re going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues.’” (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)

and now the current head of the DNC ladys and gentlmen
Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: “I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials.” (“Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty,” The Associated Press, 12/26/03)