This better be false

[Nash]

Yes I saw that, Gunslinger, the first time you posted it.

Those are 6 quotes...

I'm telling you that 86% of Democrats wanted to go to war. 4% didn't. 93% of Republicans wanted to go to war. 4% didn't.

Those quotes and Rove's gross distortions don't change that fact.

Things get bad in Iraq, and what does it always come down to? 9/11. Like clockwork. It's smoke and mirrors, mate. We're doing exactly as I think he intended. "Look over there........"

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Nash
Yes I saw that, Gunslinger, the first time you posted it.

Those are 6 quotes...

I'm telling you that 86% of Democrats wanted to go to war. 4% didn't. 93% of Republicans wanted to go to war. 4% didn't.

Those quotes and Rove's gross distortions don't change that fact.

Things get bad in Iraq, and what does it always come down to? 9/11. Like clockwork. It's smoke and mirrors, mate. We're doing exactly as I think he intended. "Look over there........"

This is the DNC leadership.  The elected members of that party.  They represent the very liberals we are talking about.  I also agree with the RNC chair's quote.  

Sorry Nash but I happen to agree with Rove.  I do not question the liberal's patriotism, but I do question (as a whole) their back bone.

EDIT:
This is also why I've allways contended that the DNC is out of touch with their party and America in general.  These are the liberals Rove was referring to maybe not the 86% you are talking about just the leaders they elect.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
isn't that what liberals want?  Theropy for understanding terrorists?

hehe, read between the lines.  The man is saying that' if you question how we spend the lives of your sons, daughters and fathers, then you are unpatriotic and should be shamed by society."

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
hehe, read between the lines.  The man is saying that' if you question how we spend the lives of your sons, daughters and fathers, then you are unpatriotic and should be shamed by society."

No.  Dont read what you think is between the lines.  Read whats written - youll be far less confused.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by FaliFan
How is this wrong Gunslinger? Unless you actually think innocent civilians should be hurt, NBC weapons used, and the terrorists should not be brought to justice. What that petition expresses is absolutely correct.

there's nothing wrong with it.  It is yet another fact that proves Rove's statement correct.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
hehe, read between the lines.  The man is saying that' if you question how we spend the lives of your sons, daughters and fathers, then you are unpatriotic and should be shamed by society."

what Saurdaukar said.  No one is saying liberals are unpatriotic.

I really don't think you guys have a legg to stand on here.

[Eagler]

I wonder if the libs realize how many they are chasing away from the dem party here in Fl with chicken little speak like that...

I know more than one who is switching to the big R, just for that very reason. These are not under 30 libs I am talking about but lifelong dems who are tired of the direction the dems are heading..

[Gunslinger]

Caller: Once we get you in the White House, would you please make sure that there is a thorough investigation of 9/11 and not stonewalling?

Howard Dean: Yes there is a report which the president is suppressing evidence for, which is a thorough investigation of 9/11.

Diane Rehm: Why do you think he is suppressing that report?

Howard Dean: I don’t know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I’ve heard so far—which is nothing more than a theory, it can’t be proved—is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who knows what the real situation is? But the trouble is, by suppressing that kind of information, you lead to those kind of theories, whether they have any truth to them or not, and eventually, they get repeated as fact. So I think the president is taking a great risk by suppressing the key information that needs to go to the Kean Commission.

Howard Dean. DNC Chair. My kind of "great risk."

[Yeager]

No. Dont read what you "think" is between the lines. Read whats written - youll be far less confused.
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Bullseye

[Gunslinger]

if you read the bold text it does

"indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.”

use moderation and restraint in responding to the recent terrorist attacks against the United States

judicial institutions and international human rights law to bring to justice those responsible for the attacks, rather than the instruments of war

Innocent civilians living within any nation that may be found responsible, in part or in full, for the crimes recently perpetrated against the United States, must not bear any responsibility for the actions of their government, and must therefore be guaranteed safety and immunity from any military or judicial action taken against the state in which they reside.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Raider179
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4624385.stm

 
Insurgent attacks appear to be on the rise
US officials in Iraq have had talks with leaders of the anti-US insurgency, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says.

US officials have acknowledged that the Iraq insurgency is growing.

Quoting Iraqi sources, the Sunday Times said insurgent commanders "apparently came face to face" with four American officials during the talks held on 3 and 13 June at a summer villa near Balad, about 40 miles (60km) north of Baghdad.

It said the insurgents included representatives of Ansar al-Sunna, which has carried out numerous suicide bombings, as well as lesser known groups such as Mohammed's Army, the Islamic Army in Iraq and Jaish Mohammed.

What is this crap? Negotiating with terrorists? Is this true?



edited more info...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8359553/

The U.S. officials tried to gather information about the structure, leadership and operations of the insurgent groups, which irritated some members, who had been told the talks would consider their main demand, a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, the report said.

Let me summarize...

 - The US wants to withdraw from Iraq in a clean peaceful manner.
 - Iraqi political/religious factions would like the USA to withdraw
 - The two sides get together and talk about it

and you guys think this is wrong? Bar a couple of fringe lunies everybody seems to want the same goal. The best way to achieve that is talking. If the outcome is that these groups say "OK we'll stop blowing civilians up for 12 months" to give the USA time to make a clean exit then whats so bad?

[Nash]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Let me summarize...

 - The US wants to withdraw from Iraq in a clean peaceful manner.
 - Iraqi political/religious factions would like the USA to withdraw
 - The two sides get together and talk about it

and you guys think this is wrong?

Not neccessarily, but this guy sure does:

"No nation can negotiate with terrorists. For there is no way to make peace with those whose only goal is death."

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
April 4, 2002

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by FaliFan
Gunslinger wrote:

if you read the bold text it does

"indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.”



quote:
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use moderation and restraint in responding to the recent terrorist attacks against the United States

judicial institutions and international human rights law to bring to justice those responsible for the attacks, rather than the instruments of war

Innocent civilians living within any nation that may be found responsible, in part or in full, for the crimes recently perpetrated against the United States, must not bear any responsibility for the actions of their government, and must therefore be guaranteed safety and immunity from any military or judicial action taken against the state in which they reside.





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How? It says that the terrorists should be brought to justice (as the criminals they are), and that innocent civilians should be spared in any military conflict with a terrorist supporting state. How does that prove "understanding" "therapy" and "indictments"?

To me it seems the whole petition is more a reaction to their fears that you ultra-nationalists would go completely fascist and start slaughtering innocents.

you could read between the lines and see that but that's clearly not what it says.  Is english your second language?

use moderation and restraint in responding to the recent terrorist attacks against the United States

judicial institutions and international human rights law to bring to justice those responsible for the attacks, rather than the instruments of war

Innocent civilians living within any nation that may be found responsible, in part or in full, for the crimes recently perpetrated against the United States, must not bear any responsibility for the actions of their government, and must therefore be guaranteed safety and immunity from any military or judicial action taken against the state in which they reside.

[Gunslinger]

so by your own admission you are proving Rove's quotes correct....assuming you are in fact a liberal.

Rove:  “Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.” Conservatives, he said, “saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.”


You:  Moderation and restraint ... as opposed to total war...Terrorists are crimminals

[Yeager]

whats your birth language?