This better be false

[Raider179]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4624385.stm

 
Insurgent attacks appear to be on the rise
US officials in Iraq have had talks with leaders of the anti-US insurgency, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says.

US officials have acknowledged that the Iraq insurgency is growing.

Quoting Iraqi sources, the Sunday Times said insurgent commanders "apparently came face to face" with four American officials during the talks held on 3 and 13 June at a summer villa near Balad, about 40 miles (60km) north of Baghdad.

It said the insurgents included representatives of Ansar al-Sunna, which has carried out numerous suicide bombings, as well as lesser known groups such as Mohammed's Army, the Islamic Army in Iraq and Jaish Mohammed.

What is this crap? Negotiating with terrorists? Is this true?



edited more info...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8359553/

The U.S. officials tried to gather information about the structure, leadership and operations of the insurgent groups, which irritated some members, who had been told the talks would consider their main demand, a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, the report said.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Raider179
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4624385.stm

 
Insurgent attacks appear to be on the rise
US officials in Iraq have had talks with leaders of the anti-US insurgency, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says.

US officials have acknowledged that the Iraq insurgency is growing.

Quoting Iraqi sources, the Sunday Times said insurgent commanders "apparently came face to face" with four American officials during the talks held on 3 and 13 June at a summer villa near Balad, about 40 miles (60km) north of Baghdad.

It said the insurgents included representatives of Ansar al-Sunna, which has carried out numerous suicide bombings, as well as lesser known groups such as Mohammed's Army, the Islamic Army in Iraq and Jaish Mohammed.

What is this crap? Negotiating with terrorists? Is this true?



edited more info...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8359553/

The U.S. officials tried to gather information about the structure, leadership and operations of the insurgent groups, which irritated some members, who had been told the talks would consider their main demand, a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, the report said.

isn't that what liberals want?  Theropy for understanding terrorists?

[Nash]

Hhm... Can't say I see anything wrong with trying to " gather information about the structure, leadership and operations of the insurgent groups."

As for your comment Gunslinger, this is about the third time now that you've parroted Rove's indefensible remarks.This might make for some interesting reading for you.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Nash
Hhm... Can't say I see anything wrong with trying to " gather information about the structure, leadership and operations of the insurgent groups."

As for your comment Gunslinger, this is about the third time now that you've parroted Rove's indefensible remarks.This might make for some interesting reading for you.

well considering I heard what he was talking about after 9/11 I can see were he's coming from.  That was a good link though and put up a good perspective.  I'm sure those guys lambasted their own liberal senator that compared them and their fellow soldiers to SS but hey he appologized and all is forgiven.  This is politics right.

EDIT:  But hey nash,  "there is no terrorist threat" anyways right?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
isn't that what liberals want?  Theropy for understanding terrorists?

Nah, that's what Cheney said they wanted.  Listening to Cheney tell you want liberals want is the same as listening to Michael Moore tell you what conservatives want.

[parker00]

why does every single topic in the o'club have someone make comments about liberals or conservatives? Do we really not have anything worth saying or is this just a way to get the post count up?



68Parker

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
isn't that what liberals want?  Theropy for understanding terrorists?

I think it was bush that said "we are bringing the fight to the terrorists" So now what? We are bringing negotiations to the Terrorists so we can get out of Iraq? That is the topic here. Should we negotiate with insurgents/terrorists to get out of Iraq faster? I say no.

[Yeager]

Rove is pretty much on target.  Srry it hurts some if you fellas but thats life.

[oboe]

After reading both Rove's statement and the soldier's letter below, I know who I respect and believe more:

Active Iraq Soldier: Karl, Come over _here_ and say that, Chickehawk...
From the mailbag:

I'm writing you from [Location Withheld] Iraq, about 35 miles NW of Baghdad.. And I'm too tired to give Karl the verbal beating he deserves for his insults. I'm too tired because we're jsut a bit shorthanded over here, fighting his war for him. A war taht has made nearly every country in the world fear and distrust America, a war fought for a knowing lie dreamed up by Karl and his buddies, none of whom have ever heard a shot fired in anger, or helped pick up the parts of another human being after an IED blast.

I enlisted after the war beganm and after I'd gotten my degree. I could easily have stayed home and watched the war on TV, and Karl does. I do not support this war in the slightest, but I will not sit at home and lecture others on their insufficient patriotism when the nation is in need. I joined because I believe in giving back some measure of service and devotion to my country.

To hear a man like Karl insinuate that only conservatives are really patriotic is a knife in the back to every man and woman in Iraq who serves here. At least a third of us voted against Bush and pals. The number increases every day that we stay here, forced to make bricks without straw for months on end.

We've been here for 6 months. We're going to be here for at least 6 more. And next week we're moving to a more 'active' sector because the unit there is rotating home and the are is still too hot to entrust to the IA or IP, most of whom are still not fit to guard a traffic light, despite two years of efforts on our part. For some of us, this is our second tour through Iraq. My unit, [Withheld] was the tip of the spear in OIF I. At least half of us are combat veterans of a major battle and liberals. Can any of your gang say that, Karl?

Never insult me and my fellow liberals again, Karl. Watching a fat, hateful thing like you that has never faced any greater danger in your life than a long golf shot denigrate every liberal who has put on a uniform is more demoralizing than ten thousand speeches that uphold America's highest ideals from Sen. Biden or Byrd.

[Name Withheld]

[Yeager]

oboe, you believe that letter is authentic?

If you do, I have some oceanfront property in Montana that I could sell you for a bargain!

[oboe]

How much?   And which ocean?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by oboe
After reading both Rove's statement and the soldier's letter below, I know who I respect and believe more:

for every one of these letters there's two more that stand by his (Rove's) comments.

[GRUNHERZ]

I have no idea if it's real or not but it is  very easy to fake testimonials and that letter is just a bit too specific and perfec t in tone or content.

It's almost a direct copy of the propaganda John Kerry built around himself.

The college grad who didnt have to go join the military or doesnt really like it.

Joins the military to go fight in a war he doesnt support but does it out of a holy sense of service.

Is surprised that he doesnt like combat in a war he doesnt belive in  it and then bashes the politicans for starting/contioug the war and praises those who oppose it.

The bit about favorite democrat party KKK grand wizard Robert Byrd esposing great america values is pretty bizzare too.

The letter could certinly be true, but... Not like it matters the statement is ot there now and it will used by partisans as appropriate to further their own views...

[Gunslinger]

The Petition
We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of the United States of America and of countries around the world, appeal to the President of The United States, George W. Bush; to the NATO Secretary General, Lord Robertson; to the President of the European Commission, Romano Prodi; and to all leaders internationally to use moderation and restraint in responding to the recent terrorist attacks against the United States. We implore the powers that be to use, wherever possible, international judicial institutions and international human rights law to bring to justice those responsible for the attacks, rather than the instruments of war, violence or destruction.
Furthermore, we assert that the government of a nation must be presumed separate and distinct from any terrorist group that may operate within its borders, and therefore cannot be held unduly accountable for the latter's crimes. It follows that the government of a particular nation should not be condemned for the recent attack without compelling evidence of its cooperation and complicity with those individuals who actually committed the crimes in question.

Innocent civilians living within any nation that may be found responsible, in part or in full, for the crimes recently perpetrated against the United States, must not bear any responsibility for the actions of their government, and must therefore be guaranteed safety and immunity from any military or judicial action taken against the state in which they reside.

Lastly and most emphatically, we demand that there be no recourse to nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, or any weapons of indiscriminate destruction, and feel that it is our inalienable human right to live in a world free of such arms.

 http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3

Everyone should be carefull of what they say when they aligne themsevles the some of the left.  It will come back to bite them.

Wasn't that Michael Moore sitting in the DNC's Presidential Box?  Wasn't that John Kerry on Meet the Press asserting that the war on terror was "primarily" a law enforcement action?  Isn't George Soros a major political contributer to the DNC?

I think this pretty much sums it up:

"It’s outrageous that the same Democrats who stood by Dick Durbin’s libeling of our military are now expressing faux outrage over Karl Rove’s statement of historical fact. George Soros, Michael Moore, MoveOn and the hard left were wrong after 9/11, just as it was wrong for Democrat leaders to stand by and remain silent after Dick Durbin made his deplorable comments.”

- RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman

 

[Gunslinger]

and dont think the above are just extremests here's more from the liberal party:

Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): “Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, ‘Uh-Oh, We’ve Got Some Problems With These People,’ … I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming.” (Ethan Wallison, “War A Challenge For Peace Caucus,” Roll Call, 10/1/01)

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): “I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States.” (Eddy Ramirez, “Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution,” [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)

Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That “America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown.” (Adam Nagourney, “Say It Loud,” The New York Times, 12/1/02)

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To “Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown.” “‘One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown,’ Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade.” (Malie Rulon, “Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots,” The Associated Press, 3/6/03)

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would “Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day” That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. “‘How much longer does the bombing campaign continue?’ Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. ‘We’re going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues.’” (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
and now the current head of the DNC ladys and gentlmen
Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: “I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials.” (“Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty,” The Associated Press, 12/26/03)
 

oh yea Rove was completly wrong in his statements.