Spit9 vs P38L Critiques Pls

[Happy1]

I'm tooling around happily at 12 angels, with 2 scalps 2b painted
on my a/c when I spot a P38L @ 14 angels, AHAAAAAHHHHH another quick kill 4 me, I nose dwn to gather speed, trim a/c to
Combat Trim & off I go zooming up to merge (destroy .. lol.. total
confidence).  The 38 sees me & is diving on me .. HOOOO HAAAA!

As we merge I cut throttle & reverse on the 38 accelerating on his 6, distance is 800yds.   I c a flashing under his wings, he's using his flaps, I hit UP trim & we r in Immelman Loop... trim up..
unable to get guns on him  ...   so close yet so far, after the 4th
loop he's looping endlessly whilst my E is dangerously low ... the
38 driver's good, now I'm looking for ways to get AWAY from him!

At the bottom of this loop I accelerate, hit UP trim many times, my
finger's sore, I glance back & he's 400 yds away from me with MGs
flying past me .... drat!! Forgot about the 38's 'Dive Brakes'  
he outmaneuvered me, he's outflown me, his 38L dirty tricks are
working like a charm.

I'm in trouble plenty...broke to the right...darn...38s have no torque & then I hear ping ... ping .... BOOOOOMM!   I'm back in the tower & I get a from the 38 which I return ... unfortunate-
ly I forgot to film this fight     The 38 driver was very good

How would the experienced Spit9 drivers & P38 drivers handle such a situation, what tactics would the spit9 drivers utilize ?? Likewise the 38 fliers? How would u handle the scenario in a different manner.

Recommendations/suggestions/critiques/ are invited ...help me!

Cheers,

Happy1  

[LYNX]

Any p38 will out "loop" a spit 9.  Next time try keeping energy by trying to turn on the horizontal axis to catch him on the down loop.  Good luck

[BTW]

Other than a sewer side bomber, I never look forward to meeting a p38 with a spit9, escpecially if they have alt. I think a climbing spiral still works against a 38, but you gota be very very careful. They can fake flopping and pull nose up on you.

[BTW]

In AW, the trick to beating p38 with a spit was for the spit to get the 38 to about equal speed- In AW you could do this by diving as the p38 would compress and slow down. Then the spit would do horizontal turns with nose over horizon (such as a spiral climb). The p38's advantage was dropping flaps and putting nose below horizon. I dunno if its the same here.

[lasersailor184]

Don't forget that P38's start to come apart at 450 mph.  

If You're really in it deep, get out, get some alt again and come back.  Worst case scenario is you extending a few times.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Don't forget that P38's start to come apart at 450 mph.  

That's just plain nonsense. I have seen 590 mph in a dive flying the P-38 and suffers no damage whatsoever. I have dive tested it from 40k.. at 590 I hit auto-level and it pulled out with any damage. Try that in a Spitfire and the wings will likely go bye-bye.

Yeah, it buffets and shake like a wet dog, but you can't break it.

Someone suggested spiral climbing to escape a P-38. You may be successful against a P-38G, but the J and L outclimb the SpitIX. Spiral climbing against the J or L is like hanging out a "shoot me" sign. If you find a P-38 close on your six, you've already humped the monkey. Getting it off will be extremely difficult.

Anyone interested in trying their theories can log into the TA Thursday and Friday evening between 8 and 10 pm eastern. I'm the designated target on those nights.

My regards,

Widewing

[Morpheus]

^^^What widewing said.

I've yet to see any damage in a 38 from high speed dives. Often times I'll force it to stay in a drive with trim and pull out of a dive with trim.

Once you figure out and get the hang of flying the 38 with trim at high speeds its a monster and can stick with almost anything in a dive.

Nothing comes apart in a dive on the 38.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Widewing


Someone suggested spiral climbing to escape a P-38. You may be successful against a P-38G, but the J and L outclimb the SpitIX. Spiral climbing against the J or L is like hanging out a "shoot me" sign. If you find a P-38 close on your six, you've already humped the monkey. Getting it off will be extremely difficult.


My regards,

Widewing

In AW, the Spitfire Mk IX was way over modeled and it could out climb and out run the P-38Jat all altitudes.  So it was a common Spitfire tactic for them to use a spiral climb against a P-38Jsince the P-38J as under and in some parts incorrectly modeled (AW's P-38J had dive brakes instead of dive flaps).


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Widewing
That's just plain nonsense. I have seen 590 mph in a dive flying the P-38 and suffers no damage whatsoever. I have dive tested it from 40k.. at 590 I hit auto-level and it pulled out with any damage. Try that in a Spitfire and the wings will likely go bye-bye.

Yeah, it buffets and shake like a wet dog, but you can't break it.

My regards,

Widewing

Not exactly true.  I have ripped off my wings on two occasions in AH1 and AH2.  Both times I was in a P-38L fully loaded with 100% fuel and full ordnance load (2 1k eggs and 10 HVARS) and went into a high speed dive and snapped the elevators off as soon as the G needle went a hair over 6Gs.  I also had the Lightning going about 525mph IAS too.


ack-ack

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Not exactly true.  I have ripped off my wings on two occasions in AH1 and AH2.  Both times I was in a P-38L fully loaded with 100% fuel and full ordnance load (2 1k eggs and 10 HVARS) and went into a high speed dive and snapped the elevators off as soon as the G needle went a hair over 6Gs.  I also had the Lightning going about 525mph IAS too.


ack-ack

Okay. However, a P-38 involved in a dogfight will be clean and a clean P-38 will not come apart at any speed it can attain.

As for me, I never fly a P-38 with more than 75% gas or more than 50% with full ordnance. If I must fly a long way, I'll take a drop tank and one 1k bomb. As a general rule, I never take more ordnance than I can deliver on a single pass, unless I'm defending against a ground attack.

My regards,

Widewing

[Raptor]

In H2H an arena host once turned on an upward 127mph wind and everyone went up. The P38L is my main ride and of course that is what I was in, by the time I get to 80k (thats right) the host cut off the wind, I decided I would experiment with the 38 and dove straight down, full throttle, no dive flaps. It kind of leveled off speed around 600mph, around 7k I decided it's time to get out of the dive and barely tapped up the trim and it came out of the dive at about 4k.

[JB42]

Gee another example of Uber Allied FMs. What a surprise.

[Pooface]

Originally posted by JB42
Gee another example of Uber Allied FMs. What a surprise.

lol yeah, american patriotism:lol

its gonna be like that with most games tho, most americans believe the war started in '41, and of course it did for you guys, but it was going on 2 years before that aswell you know:rolleyes:

anywho, endless ramblings of a silly brit

oh, btw, i was watching the extra features on the battle of britain dvd, and they had a featurette mith michael caine. they interviewed 20 americans outside the american embassy, 17 of which thought that the americans won the battle of britain, and that the english failed      

[Pooface]

lol yeah, american patriotism:lol

its gonna be like that with most games tho, most americans believe the war started in '41, and of course it did for you guys, but it was going on 2 years before that aswell you know:rolleyes:

anywho, endless ramblings of a silly brit

oh, btw, i was watching the extra features on the battle of britain dvd, and they had a featurette with michael caine. they interviewed 20 americans outside the american embassy, 17 of which thought that the americans won the battle of britain, and that the english failed       [/B][/QUOTE]

[Pooface]

WTF??? somethings going wrong there ^