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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2005, 11:04:59 PM »
wow  :eek:

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2005, 12:15:42 AM »
Wow alright, this guy got 2 years pay for 1000 names.

He probably doesn't give a poo about losing his job. He was probably only on contract as well (12 months?).

I wonder what privacy and IT laws are in place in India.  Its time to start questioning...

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2005, 01:11:00 AM »
If a company cares little enough about you to hand you off to a non-native English speaker for support, why would they give a crap about keeping your information secure.  That being said, a couple incidents doesn't sound that bad...not good, but I wonder how it compares to call centers in the US.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2005, 01:27:23 AM »
So... he did it for 5$ a CD... who says no one here (US/EU/AUS) doesn't do it for 500$ a CD? Have we all become honnest since the outsourcing started? I think not.

I don't like the outsourcing as much as any other IT, but come on...
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2005, 04:16:35 AM »
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So... he did it for 5$ a CD... who says no one here (US/EU/AUS) doesn't do it for 500$ a CD? Have we all become honnest since the outsourcing started? I think not.

I don't like the outsourcing as much as any other IT, but come on...


I think he sold 1 information for 5.5$, so if there were 1000 clients on CD it were 5500$. Whitch is 2x more that he earn a year.  

Anyway its kinda silly to blame whole India because there is one tard.

If you want to speak about IT dumb, lets start with this

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2005, 01:53:54 PM »
It's time to hold people accountable.

Outsource something to a country that doesn't have our same legal protections, and if something goes wrong, the actual individual who authorized the outsourcing needs to be held fully accountable for all losses.  If necessary, split the losses between the individual, all board members including the CEO, CFO, and COO, and the company itself.

That might just about do it.  Accountability is important and those who make deliberate decisions to enter into risky business dealings, especially when private financial information is on the line, need to be fully and personally accountable for losses incurred as a result of those decisions.  Outsourcing ANYTHING of a critical nature to any other country fits that description, because we have absolutely no control through laws or law enforcement over the handling of the contract or information.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2005, 02:10:16 PM »
I'm a primary project manager for our sub-contracting division of our IT.  We give them the work that we absolutely dislike, or do not have the manpower to sustain.  (We're trying to avoid hiring, than laying off a couple years later, as we typically do when there is a new airplane on the drawing boards)

Let me just say that the people I work with directly from India are very intelligent and moral individuals and this one story above cannot paint an entire picture of outsourcing. These indians are doing an excellent job and they work very hard, harder than most american counter-parts.(Including myself ;) )

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2005, 02:41:43 PM »
Rip,

Their quality isn't the question.  Accountability is.  If one of your outsourced contractors took private information and misused it, the most you could do is terminate the contract, file a complaint in world court (haha like that would do anything) and tell your customers *oops sorry*.

Where's the accountability?  Without accountability, you're relying on human nature and even people who don't hate America with a passion are still human, and people sometimes do bad things.  Toss in the possibility of a contractor getting infiltrated, and now your entire company and customer base is at risk.

Someone I know found and helped the FBI catch an for-real no kidding international spy in his company...  Because it was in the US, there was accountability.

Rip, if you take full responsibility for everything that happens at the outsource contractor, then go for it.  If you can't answer that call, then maybe the contract should have stayed in-house or in-country.

Heck, if it's outsourcing the making of shoelaces and there is no proprietary technology in those shoelaces, then by all means please outsource.  But if that contract is something even as simple as managing a contact database or handling ANY private or corporate-confidential information, someone need to be accountable and I say it ought to be whoever approved the contract, fully and personally.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2005, 02:43:23 PM »
Pretty soon someone will see the value in hardworking Indian project managers who cost 10% of what the less-hardworking American project managers cost.

I'm sure they are intelligent, moral, and do an excellent job, plus they work for peanuts.




As they say, "Its all fun and games until its your eye that gets poked out," or something like that.

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2005, 02:51:35 PM »
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Let me just say that the people I work with directly from India are very intelligent and moral individuals and this one story above cannot paint an entire picture of outsourcing. These indians are doing an excellent job and they work very hard, harder than most american counter-parts.(Including myself ;) )


Come on Rip. You must be smarter than that. How can you make such a statement after dealing with whoever it is you are dealing with just over the phone, or email, etc.

The entire world is full of people that want to lie, cheat and steal, and where laws and penalties do not come into play, the lies and cheats become even greater.

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IMO, all this outsourcing needs to be cut back and the jobs brought back to America. I've dealt with several tech support people in a few different companies, and I can honestly say that they are no smarter or better suited to the job than any other "average joe" American. I mean, all they do is read a damn script, and if they can't solve your problem through the script, you get "elevated" support by someone who supposedly has some real experience.

Tech support used to b free and done by Americans, and the companies still made a profit. Now tech support costs per incident or annual contract, and it's done by cheap outsourced labor. How much profit do you think these companies make now?

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2005, 04:20:49 PM »
Midnight, it doesn't matter so much if the Indians are no smarter or better at the jobs as Americans, what matters to corporate executives is that they are 90% cheaper, with no healthcare costs or pension obligations.  No way Americans workers can compete with that.

Yesterday's profits are no longer sufficient as a goal - they must be higher.  And tomorrow, the profits must be even higher - that is the way the corp execs are looking at it -- continual improvement.    Often times large bonuses are at stake.

I have been waiting for a scandal to happen; I just didn't think it would be so inconsequential as loose customer data.   One day there will be a very big one break and it will be very costly.

I do like Eagl's idea about accountability though.

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2005, 04:22:29 PM »
I'm about to switch ISP's from Earthlink to anyone else that has people who can speak English clearly enough to be easily understood as their tech support reps. We have been with Earthlink for about 5 years now I think. It's incredibly frustrating not being able to understand the person on the other end of the phone because of a very heavy accent.
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2005, 04:26:52 PM »
See Rule #5
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2005, 07:52:29 AM »
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Come on Rip. You must be smarter than that. How can you make such a statement after dealing with whoever it is you are dealing with just over the phone, or email, etc.

 


They are onsite, and offshore.

Eagl, yes, we hold them accountible for all their actions and thoroughly scrub all of our data.