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Offline Dinger

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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2005, 12:03:58 PM »
As far as the Vatican goes -- I was there last week (4 days, on business), and yeah, there are some nice and pretty things. But since I walked through a few parking lots on my way to the library, I also made it a point to check the make and model of the Vatican City-registered cars (="staff cars"). The Catholic church may have some glorious bits of wealth, but the rank-and-file priests and religious who are on the "shepherd side" of the catholic church are by and large not swimming in cash. Once you get to the higher levels of power, things may be different, but I doubt it.

On the other hand Boccaccio, in his Decameron (first came out around 1353) tells the story of a couple of virtuous businessmen in Paris: one Christian and one Jew. They were the best of friends, and shared in nearly everything they did. Of course, the Christian would try from time to time to convince the Jew to convert to Christianity. Finally, the Jewish merchant went to his friend, and said, "Alright, I've thought a lot about what you've said, and I'm willing to consider conversion. But first, let me go to Rome and see how well your religion is led."
At this the Christian merchant despaired greatly, for he knew that if the merchant went to Rome [I know, I know, the papal court was in Avignon at the time Boccaccio wrote], he would see what wicked and vice-ridden lives the pope and the prelates led, and all the Christian's hopes for his friend's conversion would be lost. So he tried and tried to dissuade him from going. But the Jewish merchant would have none of it, and insisted. To the great dismay of the Christian, the Jew went to Rome. The devout catholic knew that his friend would stay forever in the beliefs of his fathers.
When the Jew came back, he went straight to his friend and said, "okay, I've decided. Let's get me baptized straight away."
The Christian was dumbfounded: "But didn't you see the pope and the cardinals, and all their entourage, and what gluttonous, luxurious sinful lives they had?"
The Jew replied "I did" [and at this point, Boccaccio becomes his most poetic, with a full description of male and female prostitutes, drunkenness, gambling, gluttony, and every other vice known to man, blown way out of proportion in what the Italian poet Petrarch, writing at the same time, called "the New Babylon"].
The Christian asked "But why do you want to convert then?"
The Jew replied, "Well, I saw the Church is so poorly governed by these scoundrels, who do everything in the power to diminish the Church's authority and destroy its presence on Earth, and yet everywhere you look, the numbers of Christians aren't decreasing, but rather increasing, I decided that there can be no human explanation for this popularity: God alone can explain its spread."

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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2005, 12:12:27 PM »
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Then again, I accept that you believe that my job consists largely of peddling silly and offensive fairy tales and brain washing poor uneducated people for a few minutes each Sunday and that in between that I spend my time sitting around like Smaug on the big pile of mega-bucks I am raking in.
sadly Seagoon.... i have come to this thought (or similar) and it has mostly overwhelmed me.

i do not work in any way with the Church, but when it comes to religious discussions lately, here and in real life, the attacks and thoughts of the ministry are so strong, and insuating, i have adopted this exact line of thinking you are on in the quote above. i feel guilty, but at the same time glad i haven't stooped down to their level and gotten personal, and downright mean.

it is hard to explain, but i mentally give a giant to people who make comments like that, and just don't bother with them as i get to infuriated to make a good example of Christ.

just had to get that off my chest.
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2005, 12:13:51 PM »
Those snowmen a largely less ugly than this guy and his brother on TV :


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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2005, 12:17:24 PM »
I don't find much humor in the word "abomination". I see what hangtime is trying to say to a point. "Chickenhawk" pretty much hit the middle ground there.

The only thing that I find truly irritating about crap like this is that people use it to define a religion. "Aren't Christians wacko?!" and then post pictures. The truth is, I don't know many christian famillies that have this kind of crap floating around. No more so than families that have purchased chrystals and stones for their healing effects.

I can see this being an abomination. I don't see that as being a particularly light-weight hahaha kind of subject.

I definately don't see this as an argument over who is most rigtheous.

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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2005, 12:32:04 PM »
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Saw,

Don't let the fact that much of the splendor you saw was paid for long ago deter you either. :rolleyes:
 

Maverick,
You mean stolen for during the medieval ages...? Surely they would have come to their senses by now & 'give it away to the poor' ... should they not? Let me spell it for you:
h y p o c r i s y (I'm not sure of the spelling, but I'm sure you'll understand... me being close to the french & all)

Don't use the rolleyes, it will get you edited by the

Seagoon & Eskimo:
I noticed the "protestant" word in Straffo's reply... I didn't pay attention to this beforehand.

Hangtime, do you have a spare foot for me? It seems mine are not big enough :D
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2005, 12:37:30 PM »
Damn post editing limiter
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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2005, 12:39:58 PM »
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Hangtime, do you have a spare foot for me? It seems mine are not big enough :D


Since Dred's seems to be busted, here's one, ready to use. ;)

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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2005, 12:40:58 PM »
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Since Dred's seems to be busted, here's one, ready to use. ;)

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Mouth in foot? LMAO
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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2005, 12:50:33 PM »


What kind of bloody heathen can't appreciate a Jesus Loves Me kazoo?  Sometimes you people just go too far, and this is one of those times.  Don't EVER talk down about the kazoos again. :mad:
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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2005, 01:47:55 PM »
On behalf of anyone that might have mocked the Kazoo directly and thus also mocked your Kazoo playing skills, I apologize. Please, don't ever stop playing.

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« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2005, 05:35:29 PM »
Saw, they have receipts for those items. Just go back there and ask nicely to see them. Ya know given about 2000 years ANYONE tends to collect a few things. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2005, 06:28:51 PM »
Aw they are just cheap old protestant versions of the glowing plastic Mary and Jesus, the luminous rosary beads and the 3d picture of Jesus that my ex wife's Catholic Grandma had all over the place!

The Catholics were at the Idolatry business long before all this tat hit the shelves!:lol :lol

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« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2005, 07:08:02 PM »
Somehow on a basic level it makes sense that skydancer would be on a thread about abominations.....:p
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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2005, 07:11:21 PM »
Some of these posts are disgusting.

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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2005, 02:11:12 AM »
Right... the opposition should not be allowed to post, so you can have a nice monologue & pat eatch other on the back.

Do I dare use a rolleye?
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