Author Topic: If it were not for the oil, we would be out of that place...so lets do that. (Read 1217 times)

LtHans · « **on:** September 14, 2001, 07:17:00 AM »

One of the things we need to be thinking of is economics as well. Oil is what makes the world go around right now. Its used for power and such.

President Bush had on his orginal agenda when he was elected to become less dependant on foriegn oil. We're too involved with that region of the world because of it.

I hope one of the benefits of all of this is a whole lot less dependence with this region of the world and more self sufficency. Either thru Nuclear power plants and perhaps a new "Manhatten Project" (ironic name) for that rumored fusion power. Remember, before the second world war there was no nuclear bomb. In this new style of war we need a new "bomb". One plugged into the power lines.

Ok, this is probably wishful thinking on my part, but it is on my mind and I want to vent it. If it were not for that damn oil, we would be free of this situation. Damn it, we need out. This is one of the things we can work on.

Hans.

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Yeager · « **Reply #1 on:** September 14, 2001, 07:58:00 AM »

These militant islamic fundamentalists hate western culture and want to kill it.

Even if we didnt need *their* oil they would still want all of us in western civilization to die. Thats how I see it and that how I will treat it.

Fortunately I want to live more than they want to die.

Yeager

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** September 14, 2001, 08:08:00 AM »

Why yeager?

because we exploit them?

because we support Isreal with money and arms that are used to steal there land and deny them any sort of human dignity and Kill them.

That hate us because we make them hate us.

So now we call for more of them to die no matter if they were involved or not. Calateral damage?

Staga · « **Reply #3 on:** September 14, 2001, 08:19:00 AM »

Its also possible to use alcohol as a fuel in a cars and side effect would be nice: Farmers around the U.S would have more work = more money.

In late '70s - early '80s Saab was manufacturing "Petro-Saabs" in Finland which was using wood-alcohol as a fuel. Exhaust gasses smelled bad but concept itself was good thought our goverment put a high tax for those cars so it was cheaper to use gasoline...

AFAIK at least VW and GM are manufacturing cars in Brasil which are using alcohol as a fuel (or maybe mixed with gasoline, not sure).

It is possible to cut down usage of oil but are consumers ready to use/buy alcohol or diesel cars, maybe pay more for fuel or buy hybrid-cars like Toyota Prius or electric-cars or change their cars to smaller ones with fuel consumption of 3,5-4,5liter/100km like VW Lupo/Seat Ibiza diesels?

Fester' · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »

o club

Staga · « **Reply #5 on:** September 14, 2001, 08:34:00 AM »

1 Gallon=3.785 Liter so it would be +60miles/gallon.

Only losers would be Oil-Companies and OPEC and winners would be consumers (less money for fuel), U.S Treasury (smaller Dollar-flow out of U.S) and environment (smaller emissions) as far as I can see.

I could be wrong of course

Yeager · « **Reply #6 on:** September 14, 2001, 08:49:00 AM »

They hate us because of our culture woton.

Because we allow women to become educated and vote. To reveal their faces and bodies in public.

Because we allow freedom of speech and the pursuit of happiness.

Because we freely glorify sex and violence in our media and entertainment.

Because we are neo-Christian (the Taliban in Afganistan has a nasty habbit of killing Christians for witnessing to Moslems).

Because western culture is the enemy of God.

And yes woton, because we support the only true democracy in the entire middle east.

Yeager

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stomper3 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 14, 2001, 08:57:00 AM »

Yeager...phheeeeew

You dont get that you are explaining with you attitude the single most hated things outside the US??

"I KNOW THA WORLD; COS ME HAVE SEEN IT ON CNN"

Muslims are 10xthe US pop. You dont think they want to help run the world at least SOME??

If US want to stop the killing of innocent US citizens, stop killing innocent Arab Citizens

/stomp out/

Wotan · « **Reply #8 on:** September 14, 2001, 09:00:00 AM »

its about our meddling in there lives

We have for years used our influence (militarily or monetary) in ways that results in them hating the west.

All those "other" reasons you stated are just "proof" to them on how "decadent" they percieve us.

Isreal is the most "obvious" proof of our disregard for their "values".

and if your post indicates your genious then just stick to insults.

Yeager · « **Reply #9 on:** September 14, 2001, 09:06:00 AM »

Likewise I am sure.

Yeager

stomper3 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 14, 2001, 09:07:00 AM »

People like you make people die in your own country.

It`s sad.

/stomp out/

Yeager · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2001, 09:10:00 AM »

Whoa stompr! thats a pretty toejamty thing to say.

FU

Y

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sling322 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 14, 2001, 09:22:00 AM »

Absolutely amazing some of the crap certain individuals are spewing out here in light of recent events.

Considering all that has happened, I find it sickening that you come here and make the statements that you make.

And as for you stomp...diddly off!! I dont remember the last time anybody from the US flew a jetliner into a national monument in the middle east.

stomper3 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 14, 2001, 09:24:00 AM »

Correct response Yeager, don`t listen, humiliate and attack. Wise choice.

Still i say

to ya, and i hope that most of yer countrymen are wiser then you are.

/stomp out/

Wotan · « **Reply #14 on:** September 14, 2001, 09:24:00 AM »

see you went bac and edited your post.....

took out anything that could be percieved as an insult ......

i am a little bewildered tho ...

was it you felt that insults were beneath you?

or is it you decided to "tone it down" to play "the good guy"

well my post stands