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Offline 1K3

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« on: June 30, 2005, 11:05:21 PM »
Is the costomizable 1st person view mode too gamey?
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Offline BigR

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2005, 11:15:40 PM »
i dont think its gamey at all because in real life you would be able to move your head in all sorts of angles without even thinking about it.

(Just noticed you are from vegas...which part? If you dont mind me asking)
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2005, 11:19:21 PM »
I've not even seen this debate before... so why is it the great debate?
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2005, 11:23:13 PM »
Silverado Ranch... South of LV

LV reminds me of how Los Angeles/Hollywood area (where i used to live a yr ago) looked like 10 yrs ago.

(what part of LV youi live in?)
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2005, 12:33:10 AM »
The 6views is a bit lenient tho.

 It shouldn't be as goddanged restricted as IL2/FB, but it shouldn't offer a "panoramic" six view either.

 Here's a mock-up on 6-views I did some time ago:




6-view, IL-2 style. Too restricted.



6-view, AH style. Flexible and reasonable, but very lenient



My take on "Realistic" 6-view.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2005, 01:57:18 AM »
ah i live near Buffalo and Lake Mead in the summerlin area...yes vegas is growing at an alarming rate, and it drives me insane. I need out of this place lol.
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2005, 07:10:04 AM »
I think the problem is to recreate the peripheral zone............

I am not sure what angle of view we get but for sure its at least 90 degrees where as peripheral does take in as much as 130 IIRC.

Yet we see all of the 90 as if focused upon it..............


I think full vector Track IR is / could be the defining approach if not a VR helmet
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2005, 04:22:14 AM »
I happen to work with some sight related issues :)

The whole view of 2 eyes covers about  180 degs horizontally and 130 degs vertically. The focused sight covers only about 1,5-2,5 degs (foveal zone, used for reading etc.) but there is also a parafoveal zone of appx. 5 degs whic has some 50% of the accuracy of the foveal zone. Eyes move constantly from one point to another to be able to construct the view we think we see. The peripheral view is good for noticing movement which can then draw the attention and make someone move their eyeys there to check the cause of movement.

Most flight sim games have a max view of about 90 degs and of one eye only. We are practically half-blind in all these games :)
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2005, 09:40:20 AM »
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Is the costomizable 1st person view mode too gamey?


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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2005, 09:48:23 AM »
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yea, yea. Drugs are bad.
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2005, 10:18:59 AM »
God forbid a game be gamey:rolleyes:
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2005, 10:27:56 AM »
Well, it could use some improvement BTW :)
 
 Having no six view at all, like how IL2/FB done it, is clearly an overkill. Makes no sense at all. However, the good thing about Il2/FB was that the pilot is forced to check left rear and right rear sides individually - unlike AH where a single 6 view virtually gives out a panoramic view of the 5, 6, 7 O'c at the same time. (the so-called "Linda Blair" view..)

 It does help in increasing the intensity of combat maneuvering, and gives the gamers a taste of why having somebody behind your six was such a bad thing to happen.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2005, 01:36:57 PM »
The AH internal view system is huge.  I love it.  I've been spoiled with its flexibility; and because of that, I can't find peace in many other sims.

gamey?  I can't believe this topic needs to be discussed :)
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2005, 02:36:59 PM »
The view system is great. No need for a change.
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2005, 03:03:05 PM »
"Great", as in "comfortable".

 But that's not always good enough :)
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