HiTech - usage stats?

[TimRas]

Here you go:

 Rank  Type         Kills  Deaths     K-%     K/D     ENY
   1    Tempest        5678     900    1.73    6.31       5
   2    Me 262         2984     573    0.91    5.21       5
   3    Me 163B        1210     278    0.37    4.35      15
   4    F4U-4          1436     456    0.44    3.15       5
   5    F4U-1C        10623    4414    3.24    2.41       5
   6    Spitfire XIV    648     346    0.20    1.87       5
   7    Ta 152H         500     267    0.15    1.87       5
   8    Fw 190D-9     11598    7752    3.54    1.50      18
   9    Typhoon IB    20175   13542    6.16    1.49      20
   10   Bf 109G-10    15212   10371    4.64    1.47      20
   11   P-38J          9772    6739    2.98    1.45      35
   12   P-47D-11       1655    1167    0.51    1.42      40
   13   Ki-84-Ia       4998    3670    1.53    1.36      15
   14   La-7          31833   25045    9.72    1.27       5
   15   Hurricane II   7520    6077    2.30    1.24      35
   16   Fw 190A-5      4300    3508    1.31    1.23      35
   17   Fw 190A-8      5769    4809    1.76    1.20      25
   18   Bf 109F-4      4566    3920    1.39    1.16      43
   19   Bf 109G-2      2058    1776    0.63    1.16      42
   20   N1K2          27576   23825    8.42    1.16       7
   21   C.205          5942    5325    1.81    1.12      40
   22   La-5FN         4601    4136    1.40    1.11      35
   23   SeaFire       19159   17422    5.85    1.10      15
   24   P-47-D25       1487    1363    0.45    1.09      35
   25   Bf 109G-6      3051    2819    0.93    1.08      40
   26   P-38G          1509    1459    0.46    1.03      45
   27   Ki-61          1168    1131    0.36    1.03      40
   28   Yak-9U         3739    3632    1.14    1.03      30
   29   Spitfire V    20563   20473    6.28    1.00      10
   30   F4U-1          3042    3161    0.93    0.96      40
   31   Spitfire IX   13726   14646    4.19    0.94       8
   32   F6F-5          8777    9374    2.68    0.94      20
   33   Yak-9T         1245    1380    0.38    0.90      30
   34   P-51D         15894   18751    4.85    0.85       6
   35   FM2            1576    1898    0.48    0.83      40
   36   P-51B          1505    1858    0.46    0.81      35
   37   Bf 110G-2     13919   17877    4.25    0.78      20
   38   Mosquito Mk    3048    3932    0.93    0.78      40
   39   Fw 190F-8      1172    1546    0.36    0.76      35
   40   F4F-4           527     697    0.16    0.76      50
   41   P-38L          8869   11933    2.71    0.74      15
   42   A6M5b          6045    8244    1.85    0.73      30
   43   P-47-D30       4813    6606    1.47    0.73      30
   44   F4U-1D         8856   12717    2.70    0.70      24
   45   P-40E           638     998    0.19    0.64      45
   46   Bf 110C-4b      305     522    0.09    0.58      55
   47   Bf 109E-4       409     764    0.12    0.54      55
   48   C.202           249     567    0.08    0.44      60
   49   P-40B           520    1200    0.16    0.43      60
   50   A6M2            518    1373    0.16    0.38      55
   51   Hurricane I     280     961    0.09    0.29      57
   52   Spitfire I      254    1270    0.08    0.20      60

[Kev367th]

Thanks,
Proves one thing, the Spit 14 is nowhere near worth its perk cost.

[BTW]

I'm curious as to why ENY values are not figured dynamically. It shouldn't be hard for the host to update them once per day.

[mussie]

Hey HT

Does a formation of Buffs count as 1 death or three for the table you posted ?

Mussis

[Kev367th]

Each buff = 1 kill.
Therefore 3 = 3 kills.

Unfortuneately 'deaths' doesn't give a clear indication of plane usage which is what I was after.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Each buff = 1 kill.
Therefore 3 = 3 kills.

Unfortuneately 'deaths' doesn't give a clear indication of plane usage which is what I was after.

That's especially true with a plane like the Lgay7. Lgay's have limited fuel and ammunition relative to most other planes in the set. Lgays are also harder to kill due to their speed and small size relative to other planes (pilot notwithstanding). Because of these factors they are actually under-represented statistically by kill/death stats. They kill less and die less on average per sortie used.

Planes like the niki with huge range and ammoload which are relatively easy to kill because they are slow and larger are over-represented by kill/death stats relative to the numbers flown. It is because of these factors that, as we are saying, there are a disproportionately high number of Lgay7s relative to other planes in the set in the MA. Much more than kill/death stats may indicate.

For example it may take 5 Niki's to get 10 kills and 4 of them are likely to die in the process. But, it will take 9 or 10 Lgay's to get the same 10 kills and perhaps only 1 or 2 of them dies in the process. On your chart the Niki is actually more represented statistically in this scenario, but in actual fact,  in the MA,  in the fights the Lgay outnumbers the Niki (or any other plane) 2 to 1. Thus the problem. You may look at the above scenario and say well that's fine from a kill/death perspective the lgay7 isn't killing as many as the niki, but that is false. It is false in that the lgay pilot with be flying at least 2 sorties for every one of the niki, ever taking into consideration more lgay's are living therefore rtb'ing, by virtue of it's speed, acceleration and climbrate further exacerabting the lgay7 plurality crisis.

Variety is the spice of life and of AH, the over-predominance of the lgay7 is rapidly eroding that facet of AH's appeal, spend a few nights in the MA during prime-time and you'll figure it out really fast, HiTech, it ain't subtle...

Zazen

[AKDogg]

U guys have to remember to.  The Perked planes are ususally flown by pilots who know what they are doing and therefore will have a better K/D ratio.

[hitech]

Zazen13 wrote

there are a disproportionately high number of Lgay7s relative

Your argument dosn't suport that conclusion Zazen. If the average sortie time is shorter(your argument),then if one compairs the number of La7s in the air at any one time as a % of the total planes in the air, that % would be lower than it would if it had a longer sortie time.

HiTech

[mussie]

 I need a coffe to understand that x=y-t_over.......

[J_A_B]

For those who remember, the F4U-1C was perked shortly after it passed 20% total usage.  The LA7 doesn't look like it's anywhere close to that.  As a counter-argument, however, one could point out that the plane set was quite a bit smaller back then.

J_A_B

[Midnight]

Wow.. P-51D used to be in the top 5 for total kills. Notice now, since the new gunnery model, all the top killers are cannon-armed planes. The usage of the P-51D may have dropped some, because players may not like not being able to kill stuff now, but I bet its still heavily used regardless.

IMO, this really shows that cannon-armed aircraft have an advantage that is increased by the fact that flight controls and engine management are simplified...

[zorstorer]

Originally posted by Midnight
Wow.. P-51D used to be in the top 5 for total kills. Notice now, since the new gunnery model, all the top killers are cannon-armed planes. The usage of the P-51D may have dropped some, because players may not like not being able to kill stuff now, but I bet its still heavily used regardless.

IMO, this really shows that cannon-armed aircraft have an advantage that is increased by the fact that flight controls and engine management are simplified...

Never noticed that till you pointed it out midnight, you can take the top 2 MG only planes and add them together and get the number 3 plane in kills.  I seldom take up a MG only planes, and it's usually a Hurri I or Spit I.

Makes one think....

[Rolex]

But we all know what planes are likely to be found at what altitude at which bases under what conditions. If you fly to a 500 ' AGL furball at, or on the way to, an enemy base 20 miles away, what are you likely to see?

If you have chosen to go there, you also have the entire plane set at your fingertips. You may choose any plane and fly it from any field in any way you see fit. If your idea of fair is that you should have the right to always land 5 kills from a sortie into that scenario, then I think that's wrong.

The LA-7 is an interceptor and it is supposed to be used in that scenario of game play. If you choose not to fly it and wish to challenge yourself to survive in a swarm of them doing what they were designed to do - repel a swarm of invaders - then you have to fly where and how they can't kill you. I know this sounds ridiculously simple, but it really is that simple, at least to me. Up an La-7, Tempest or 262 and go kill all of them That's why you have perk points - because you were good enough to earn and keep them. If you don't have enough perk points, then you might need to ask yourself why that is. Or fly something else in a different way or at a different location.

I just don't see it as being a problem.

[detch01]

Maybe it's just me but I don't see the problem with LA-7's. I hardly ever fly them and when I encounter them they die or kill me just as easily as any other ride.
Yeah, I'd like to see more early-mid war rides in the MA too but it's not going to happen on its own and trying to force it would just frustrate people and make the MA a much less pleasant experience for everyone.
People will fly what their level of confidence allows them to fly and that means the preponderance of players are going to be in the high-performance aircraft. Same thing applies to the tactics that people use: if all they don't have the confidence to mix it up they'll use what tactics do work for them. If that means HO and run, then that's what they'll do. If you  find the "HO and run" personally offensive, then offer to take the guy into the TA or DA and teach him some "cool moves", or show them how to make you're personal fave pay in the game. Most likely both of you will benefit from the experience.

my $0.02

asw

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by hitech
Zazen13 wrote

Your argument dosn't suport that conclusion Zazen. If the average sortie time is shorter(your argument),then if one compairs the number of La7s in the air at any one time as a % of the total planes in the air, that % would be lower than it would if it had a longer sortie time.

HiTech

Ummm no, because as we have asserted more people actually fly lgay7's relative to any other plane, and fly them almost in total exclusion to any other aircraft. So, as soon as the lgay7 pilot lands he immediately re-ups another lgay7.

Zazen