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Offline Vudak

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2005, 10:52:31 AM »
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Dominant in numbers?
Up to the 22nd of last month according to HTs figures

La7 - 22736
N1K - 19411
Spit V - 14953
Tiffy - 14221
Seafire - 14148
P51D - 11158
109G10 - 10789
Spit IX - 9866

So where do you come up with "dominant in numbers"?


Well, just from that list the Spitfire is obviously the dominant ride of choice in the MA, if you put all the different models in the same generic "spit" category.

I see what Kweassa is saying, and it *would* be nice to see more variety, but, on the bright side, at LEAST spitfires are likely to fight, which can't always be said for most people in the blue planes.

At any rate, if you want to see less Seafires post more Hellcat and Corsair films.
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2005, 12:11:23 PM »
Whats next?
How about, WAH, 4 out of the top 8 are British, so we shouldn't have some of them either.
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2005, 12:18:41 PM »
Why concern yourself about what anyone flies in this GAME. It's neither a true simulation of WW2 combat nor is it restricted to what was available at any given time. It is a GAME, a way to pass time, have fun and make HTC money. No one flies in a "realistic" manner in the game and actual real world tactics are grossly ignored as people are in this to play a GAME using the tools available in a GAME.

If you were restricted to the planes and actual conditions found in true combat you'd likely find another way to spend your time and money. The same if another persons likes and dislikes were imposed on your game play.

In short remember that it is a GAME and it's meant to allow as many different people as possible to have fun the way they want. Don't sweat the small stuff.
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2005, 01:13:23 PM »
Just had one hell of a scruffle in tha MA, - it was a carrier raid and most of the cons flew seafires.
They stood and fought, I had great fun, - and it's the best opportunity to peel around, - in a Hurricane, hehe.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2005, 05:51:23 PM »
Kev:

 The 'dominance' is referred to as a dominance as a CV-based fighter. In short, our Aces High representation of a "naval fighter", is the most insignificant one of them all.

 Sure the Seafire did see service, and were often in important theater of operations, despite small in numbers. But really, when we think of 'naval' planes, is the importance of the Seafire greater than that of the Hellcat? The Zero? The Corsair?


 Furball:

 Go away! :D


 Mav:

 It is a difficult thing to define the historicity of a game. You are right, in that Aces High is not a simulation in the respect that the MA rules of game playing is nothing like the war.

 However, AH does have roles assigned to planes that is roughly simular to the real war, and the planes we see in the air are more often than not expected to fly and fight like real combat planes of the war. In that sense, when naval battles occur, no matter how gamey and dweebey, PT-launching, 5" toting, suicidal barging it is, people still expect to see real naval planes upping from carriers.

 Not, Spitfires.

 ...

 
 Besides, the stats Kev posted doesn't really help.

 The Seafire is the same thing as the SpitV. Basically, it shows that the SpitV usage is at 29101 - roughly 5000 more in usage than the even the La-7.

 SpitVs are one of the most preferred land-based planes, and one of the most preferred CV-planes, too.

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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2005, 05:52:27 PM »
I'd rather suggest taking the Seafire IIC away, and put in a Seafire III, and then perking it at something like 3 points.

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2005, 06:31:15 PM »
Kweassa you are wrong about the number of seafires delivered to the FAA.  2699 seafires were delivered by VJ day according to the FAA archives.

Sorry dude, you are wrong about this one.:)   The seafire was the FAA's most numerous fighter.  Not sure what you were thinking when you compared the seafire to the 109-T.
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2005, 07:10:53 PM »
You know, I was thinking we need SeaHurricanes according to my janes guide to fighters they converted apx 800 of these planes armed with 4x20mm cannons and a merlinXX powerplant.:aok
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2005, 07:39:06 PM »
Imagine the whines then!
A hizooka armed naval plane...
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2005, 10:30:20 PM »
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Well FD, I guess it's just a gripe about how the Spitfire is dominant in all areas of the game. (dominant in numbers)
 


yeah, that's the bottom line... numbers is not what is controlled in the MA so, once it is modelled in AH, the usage in the game will not reflect how it was available in history.  any control in numbers, as the game is today, will only be done in scenarios.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2005, 10:33:24 PM »
Eh, Kweassa, I totally 110% disgree with you...

I don't see anything wrong with Supermarine Seafire (Including Hawker Sea Hurricane/Hurricats) and the Seafire fought very well in WWII, that also include in Korean War too before they were replace by Naval jet fighter in 1952.

A Seafire fighter of the Royal Navy shot down the last enemy aircraft on the very day of the Japanese surrender in August 1945. Seafire L. Mk.III of 887 Squadron (HMS Indefatigable) of the British Pacific Fleet and piloted by Sub Lt GJ Murphy shot down two Mitsubishi A6M Reisens, at Odaki Bay, Japan, 15.8.45.

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2005, 02:48:00 AM »
Hmm..

 If that be the case, I'll think about this matter again.  Guess it's time to get used to a new perception about WW2 naval planes then.

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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2005, 03:14:01 AM »
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I'd rather suggest taking the Seafire IIC away, and put in a Seafire III, and then perking it at something like 3 points.


Why the hell would you perk a 1942/3, slow (by MA standards) aircraft?
This is getting into the heights of ridiculousness.
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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2005, 05:15:36 AM »
Why deny british naval aviation.
They invented the carrier.

The reason i think they used more US aircraft in the end is because those where very reliable aircraft (aircooled engines). Most of them designed for carrier use from the beginning (folding wings rigid undercarriage).

And than there is production capability the british probably directed more spits to the RAF.

I dont see the problem people choosing spits the seafire is like a spitv it is a turnable plane but it is fragile slow and slow climbing.

The US planes carry more load are faster and more rigid.

I would choose for the FM2 when it get busy and the F6F for pounding.

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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2005, 05:19:59 AM »
In fact the Brits invented the two most important developments on a CV -
1) Steam catapult.
2) Angled deck.
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