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Offline Nash

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If Roe v. Wade falls
« on: July 04, 2005, 10:17:15 PM »
What then?

Obviously, with Day-O steppin' down, this is gonna be the apex of the vortex of the hub of the fight.

No doubt we're gonna be talkin' all up and down about the fight itself, but what of the possible result?

Is it "Well gee, that happened. Abortion is criminalized. Anyways, how was your day?"

Seriously... what do y'all actually envision when you envision the overturning of this law? What do you think is going to happen? What are the political consequences? Do Republican politicians even want this to happen?

Roe v. Wade has made for good battle fodder. But does anyone actually want to win it?

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2005, 10:39:43 PM »
We will have no income tax before RVW falls.

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2005, 10:54:52 PM »
Fair enough. But what of it? The consequences.

For example, Ed Kilgore writes:

"This appointment represents the giant balloon payment at the end of the mortgage the GOP signed with the Cultural Right at least 25 years ago.  Social conservatives have agreed over and over again to missed payments, refinancings, and in their view, generous terms, but the balance is finally due, and if Bush doesn't pay up, they'll foreclose their entire alliance with the Republican Party."

He's not far off the mark, it seems, as Focus on the Family's position is:

"President Bush must nominate someone whose judicial philosophy is crystal clear. And no one has been clearer about this than the President himself, who said during his campaign that he would appoint justices in the mold of Clarence Thomas or Antonin Scalia. We have full confidence that he will carry out that pledge."

Red State chimes in with:

"Let's get it out there: how many here think that if the President nominates Alberto Gonzales to the Supreme Court it would manifest itself as an unmitigated disaster for the President, the GOP, and conservatives? And if so, how will you react?
I do. And if it happens, I'm taking up golf. I'm not going to give any money to any Republican party organization, nor any incumbent."

Priests for Life say:

"At the moment, one of the most important concerns of the pro-life movement is the appointment of Federal Judges, and eventually Supreme Court Justices, who will respect life and will respect the Constitution rather than invent "rights" that have nothing to do with it. The US Senate, in particular, is faced with the challenge of confirming the right kind of men and women for this task. Therefore we are asking you to pray that this process may be free from all obstruction and anti-life bias."

Operation Rescue:

"Upon the announced retirement of Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Conner, Operation Rescue calls upon President George W. Bush to live up to his pro-life commitment to voters in the last election by appointing a justice to the nation’s highest court who will uphold the Right to Life for all pre-born Americans...
“Now it is time to make good on those campaign promises, Mr. President,” said Operation Rescue president Troy Newman. “You have been given a mandate to end abortion in our nation by the American people who cast their votes for you. You have been placed in power for such a time as this. Now it is time to fulfill your obligation to God and to those who elected you, and appoint a staunchly pro-life judge to the Supreme Court. The lives of millions of children yet to be conceived are depending on you for their very lives. ”

Southern Baptist's Faith and Value:

"Justice O’Connor’s retirement opens the door for the opportunity that tens of millions of Americans have been praying for for more than a decade. "

...............and it just goes on and on and on.

They aint takin' no for an answer.

So okay, maybe the law doesn't get overturned. That in itself is something.

Basically I'm asking about the consequences if or if it does not get overturned.

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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2005, 10:56:40 PM »
Dream about winning the lottery~it has just as much chance for success and much more relevance to your personal life.

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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2005, 11:04:12 PM »
Actually Liz... I'm not too far removed from the subject here. Not that I've personally had an abortion, mind you. :)

One time we had to drive to the great state of Montana... coupla scared 16 year-olds. But that's a long story.

Fact is - this aint as "lottery" and out of touch as yer implying. If the impact of abortion is a big deal to one group of people, it is only because it is a big deal to a lot of people.

This post is just about thinking that through. "Lottery" dismissal doesn't work here.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2005, 11:29:29 PM »
I think it's so remote a chance that it's not worth worrying about.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2005, 11:38:54 PM »
R v W is very likely to be overturned. If anyone thinks Bush is going to put a moderate or liberal on the SCOTUS they are sorely mistaken. He knows this is chance to change the balance of the SCOTUS and put his mark on legislation for years after his Presidency.
An overly conservative and devisive SCOTUS is going to be a fact. I fear the resurgence of religious PAC's and their demagoguery like we saw in the late 70's early 80's that will try to take advantage. (Anyone seen The People vs Larry Flint?) God does not vote. He holds his court later.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2005, 11:39:51 PM »
"I think it's so remote a chance that it's not worth worrying about." - SOB


Okay yeah.... I get that.

(hrmph - my bad - I'm just not asking the question right).

There are gonna be consequences if the law gets overturned. I don't think we have ever really explored what they would be, and it would be interesting to do that, I think.

However....

I am also asking what the consequences would be if they weren't overturned, due to a pro-choice nomination.

One is a social question - one is a political question. Both of them are going to be faced.

Essentially coat hangers and a ballooning welfare state vs damnation and political alienation.

Everyone is laying a bit low here, but when the nomination gets announced it's going to be mayhem... from one side or the other - it has no choice but to happen. We're just gonna beat them to the punch.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2005, 11:59:19 PM »
Even if they get the "right" justices in there, they will need somebody to pass a law banning abortion.  Is Congress ready to do that?  What about states?

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2005, 12:26:48 AM »
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Even if they get the "right" justices in there, they will need somebody to pass a law banning abortion.  Is Congress ready to do that?


Yeah - good question.

Is Congress ready to pass a law banning abortion?

"Kenneth L. Connor, former head of the Family Research Council who helped engineer congressional efforts this year to intervene in the Terri Schiavo right-to-die case, says that many Republican politicians had no desire to see Roe go away.

"The current situation allows them to furrow their brow, ring their hands, gnash their teeth but not do a dadgum thing about it," he said. "If the court were to put the decision in their hands, they would be mortified."

Ann Stone, chairman of Republicans for Choice, said the best evidence of all that the GOP establishment benefited from maintaining Roe was the lack of any push by the party's majority leadership in Congress for a constitutional ban on abortion.

"If they thought it was a winning issue, they would have had a vote," she said. "This could wind up being a case of getting what you wish for and then regretting it."

So it would seem that politically, this is just not very workable. Or they would have done it. Yet the people whose votes they rely on say:

"Now it is time to make good on those campaign promises, Mr. President. You have been given a mandate to end abortion in our nation by the American people who cast their votes for you. You have been placed in power for such a time as this. Now it is time to fulfill your obligation to God and to those who elected you, and appoint a staunchly pro-life judge to the Supreme Court. The lives of millions of children yet to be conceived are depending on you for their very lives. ”

Tough spot.

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2005, 05:37:09 AM »
what then?

how about the end to legal murder & mutilation of fetuses in this country ....

OMG!!! NO !!! NOT THAT!!!! The Horrorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: If Roe v. Wade falls
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2005, 05:42:15 AM »
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what then?

how about the end to legal murder & mutilation of fetuses in this country ....

OMG!!! NO !!! NOT THAT!!!! The Horrorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!


lol, ok Nash, you hooked him, are you happy now?
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2005, 05:42:48 AM »
Abortion is a personal problem. No one's forcing any one to abort.

This however; is a much more pertinent and potentialy frightening human presumption of Godhead.

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2005, 06:01:44 AM »
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lol, ok Nash, you hooked him, are you happy now?


glad to see you can laugh about such things...after all it's nothing really right?? just the morning after birth control...
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2005, 08:57:17 AM »
liz is correct... the whole RvW is a smokescreen by the left to justify not allowing strict constituitionalists on the SC.

There are about 300 things more likely to change for the worst if we allow some liberal socialist "constitutition as a quaint document" judge on.  

That is the reason I voted for Bush.  Not abortion... I don't care about abortion or gay unions or.. if I do... they are so far down on the list that they are insignificant.

and nash... don't be dishonest... Of course you can "have an abortion"... the baby is half yu and... it is dishonest in the extreme to pretend that we are (as men) interested only in the "womens rights" aspect of it..... we want the ***** to get rid of the brat and let us keep screwing and not make us be responsible for it.

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