Author Topic: The Patriot Act and Homeland Security (Read 1009 times)

Dago · « **on:** July 07, 2005, 09:25:06 PM »

Standing by sadly absorbing the terrible details of the recent terrorist attack on the innocents of London, I think it be worth remembering why the Patriot Act was ever created.

It's too easy to fall into complacency regarding security when there hasn't been an attack in a while, but when discussing the Patriot Act and other attempts to make our countries more secure, I think it is wise to always remember the alternative.

My sympathies to all effected by the terrible acts in London, and my hopes that we can and will do everything necessary to prevent future attacks such as this.

dago

Sandman · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2005, 09:27:12 PM »

Pffft.

Shane · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2005, 10:03:48 PM »

ok, i'll bite...

"Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

SOB · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2005, 10:08:10 PM »

I'd rather live with the risk, thank you.

Dago · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2005, 10:37:43 PM »

I'd rather we attack at each and every location we feel terrorists might be, but that is not gonna happen.

Sandman · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2005, 10:49:05 PM »

Terrorism isn't an ideology. It's a method for waging war.

Being the world's only superpower means that all of our battles will be asymetric. From now on, we can expect each and every one of our enemies to use this method. To take the U.S. on toe to toe is the height of foolishness.

Every one of these "terrorists" probably has friends and family that will respond with anger and violence to our own attacks. Attack, reattack, rinse, lather, repeat.

We have but one solution... genocide. Yeah baby... kill 'em all.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2005, 11:01:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Terrorism isn't an ideology. It's a method for waging war.

Being the world's only superpower means that all of our battles will be asymetric. From now on, we can expect each and every one of our enemies to use this method. To take the U.S. on toe to toe is the height of foolishness.

Every one of these "terrorists" probably has friends and family that will respond with anger and violence to our own attacks. Attack, reattack, rinse, lather, repeat.

We have but one solution... genocide. Yeah baby... kill 'em all.

I agree with Sandman?! Smash the Fax Machine!!!!!

Karaya

AdmRose · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2005, 11:57:54 PM »

Lift the assault weapons ban, then I'll feel safe.

ramzey · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:15:36 AM »

maybe its time to get ride of all kinde of arabic/islam immigrants?
Stop giving them asylum and ask to live

As survey saiz 40% of young muslims said they will go to fight together with osama against civilised worl. 40% of GB young muslims!

Dago · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:20:41 AM »

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Originally posted by AdmRose
Lift the assault weapons ban, then I'll feel safe.

It expired last June.

Long live Bush!

Ban Liberals, not Guns!

dago

faint · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:36:10 AM »

Not to be rude or anything but the attack realy wasnt that big.

The only thing special about it, is the fact that it was a terrorist attack.
Planes crash and kill more people than that and 911 was 100X bigger.

Plus there is even more attacks in Israel happening 24/7, but the fact that it was in London and London is a ally of the US and this could mean that London will go 100% with Bush's plan on terrorism, is the only reason its making headlines, but yes my heart does go out to those innocent people.

Maybe now the US will have more support to stop terrorism, but in reality it will never be stopped.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2005, 01:45:26 AM »

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Originally posted by faint
Not to be rude or anything but the attack realy wasnt that big.

The only thing special about it, is the fact that it was a terrorist attack.
Planes crash and kill more people than that and 911 was 100X bigger.

I don`t think body count was the objective for any of the terrorist attacks.
The most attention, headlines and the impact on the countries attacked were.
Homeland Security and the Patriot act can be both bad and good.
It must be constantly monitored and kept within bounds.

Skydancer · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2005, 05:21:40 AM »

Waging conventional war on nations will likely only increase terrorism.

Terrorism is the most effective method for waging war if your resources millitarily are thin on the the ground. Quite a few Partisan groups in WW2 knew that as did the British and US govts who funded equipped and trained them. Big armies and millitary responses are not the solution.

As I see it there are two options. We either begin using simmilar tactics. Kidnapping leaders assasination, covert operations etc which realy reduces us to a similar level as thosewe are trying to defeat.

Or we concentrate on a Moral victory. Not allowing ourselves to become the kinds of societies that these people come from. Controlled dictatorial dogmatic and most definately not free. If we win the Moral victory we will win that elusive battle for hearts and minds. The terrorists in the Muslim world are still the minority. If we continue our current policy there they will become a majority.

Not very sensible.

Moral victory not millitary victory that is the answer.

Eagler · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2005, 06:36:00 AM »

our response will escalate in kind with the level of terrorism...

when it is proven Iran has given the nuke suitcase to the cheekbones that set it off in NY, Tehran will be a parking lot

SMIDSY · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2005, 07:04:23 AM »

who cares if iran has the bomb? what is the difference between america and a "rouge nation"? because they might use it? then why does the US have em if we dont have the will to use them? iran is just protecting its national interests.