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Offline bustr

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« Reply #180 on: July 19, 2005, 07:05:52 PM »
Hang,

I have to admit that I fall prey to my own arrogance towards the gullible weak. Which group affronts your sensabilities more, the weak for being weak, or the cultists for choosing to prey on them?

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« Reply #181 on: July 19, 2005, 07:06:47 PM »
bustr: demagogue is the traditional spelling. The new EZEnglish version is demagog. ;)
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« Reply #182 on: July 19, 2005, 07:09:47 PM »
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I truely fear that if the Jihadist's do have a portable nuke and set it off in a western population center, we as a moral culture will leap to the simplist course of action out of a uncontrolled horror at being so vulnderable to one lone madman and a suit case. Everyone of us can be pushed too far. Don't you think the population of New York or London will be the point at which the attacked group as a whole looses it?

You ever wondered if Japan has forgiven us? They plan business cycles out quite a few years farther than the west does. Seems like some in the Middle East do also.


Bustr I fear the thin veneer of civilization will be swept away by men on pulpits ( religious or political) when that moment comes. A deadly response will be appropriate. Whether we do it for the right reasons with proper restraint will be the issue.

And please dont misconstrue "proper restraint".:)


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I dont think the Japanese hold that grudge against us any longer.

But the ME/Islamist fanatics hold grudges (perceived or otherwise) forever. And it isnt just us they are against. Their warped view of Islam pits them against the whole world. They dont even like other Islamists. They arent content killing each other. They need to take the rest of us on also.
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« Reply #183 on: July 19, 2005, 07:20:23 PM »
Here is a story on the father of Mohamed Atta.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/19/atta.father.terror/index.html

Unfortunately I think the old codger might be on to something....
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« Reply #184 on: July 19, 2005, 07:29:43 PM »
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Hang,

I have to admit that I fall prey to my own arrogance towards the gullible weak. Which group affronts your sensabilities more, the weak for being weak, or the cultists for choosing to prey on them?

:)


I'm not convinced that it's a 'weak' mind thing. Most folks from my generation learned religion at the end of a belt.. Sunday School was not 'optional'. A religious education goes a long way towards 'condtioning' a mind for life. Take those same young minds and educate them in an intellectual enviornment seperate from religious influence and THEN as young adults hand them a bible... anybodys bible.

I'd be willing to bet that the folks that buy into religious dogma under those circumstances would be a whole lot more inclined to live as true 'christians' than the ones force-fed it as children. Fewer 'churchies' that use religion as bigoted reason to pursue some rather unhealthy agendas.

As for the cult leaders... be pretty tuff to have 'cult leaders' in a true christian church, wouldn't it?
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« Reply #185 on: July 19, 2005, 08:12:33 PM »
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Here is a story on the father of Mohamed Atta.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/19/atta.father.terror/index.html

Unfortunately I think the old codger might be on to something....

Knowing what the bastard would use the money for..CNN probrably still paid him. Just to get the second interview.

Irresponsible of CNN to even publish that article.
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« Reply #186 on: July 19, 2005, 08:36:28 PM »
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Here is a story on the father of Mohamed Atta.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/19/atta.father.terror/index.html

Unfortunately I think the old codger might be on to something....



Just saw this on the news. Another fanatic that has to go. These types cannot be rehabbed.
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« Reply #187 on: July 19, 2005, 11:12:39 PM »
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Christianity had the Crusades


Those people who talk bad about the crusades raise two huge flags over their heads.

1.) They hate christians.  It doesn't matter who.

2.) They've never cracked open a history book.
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« Reply #188 on: July 20, 2005, 05:39:36 AM »
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I never tried to diminish the significance of Islamic terrorism. - Silat


Otay :)  I misunderstood.
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« Reply #189 on: July 20, 2005, 06:09:53 AM »
well silat.. I think I agree with gunthr that you are trying to diminish the acts of the jihad terrorists by saying  christians are intolerant too "its just a matter of degree."

Well yeah.. it is a matter of degree... like getting a mild tan and burning to death in a fiery wreck are both the same.... burned.. just a matter of degree.   When you are talking about these murderous fanatics you can no more compare them to the guy next door to me with his intolerance of celebrating birthdays than in the burning example.

While I agree that all intolerance is bad to some degree..  not drinking caffiene say is not worth me getting upset about (till they get powerful enough to make it law) like a jihadist getting his murderous zealot hands on a suitcase nuke..  

I most certainly do think that we should track down all jihadist sects of the muslim religion and wipe them out.   I would prefer they be killed but jailed forever would be ok.   They have a vowed agenda to kill inocent people... they need to die.

I had no problem with the brits wiping out the IRA cells.   If that is considered wiping out a sect of the catholic church then so be it.

If the jehova witnesses form a group of murderous zealots we will deal with them.

hell... if a murderous splinter group of the UAW shows up then treat them the same.

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« Reply #190 on: July 20, 2005, 08:40:24 AM »
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Those people who talk bad about the crusades raise two huge flags over their heads.

1.) They hate christians.  It doesn't matter who.

2.) They've never cracked open a history book.


I'm "christian" and I've always liked history and have read quite a bit about it.

And I'd say crusades weren't anything any christian should be proud of.

YMMV of course.
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« Reply #191 on: July 20, 2005, 08:47:57 AM »
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hell... if a murderous splinter group of the UAW shows up then treat them the same.


If Hammas was building chevy's would they be even more of a bomb?
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« Reply #192 on: July 20, 2005, 09:20:38 AM »
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The Catholic IRA groups are not promoting Catholicism, but are in a conflict about the governance of Ireland, specifically Northern Ireland.


I would comment that many Muslims believe the Islamic terrorists are not exactly promoting Islam either...

As for the IRA et al, you are wrong. It is entirely about creating a Catholic unified state - and if it is not about religion, why do they murder protestants and not hindus?
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« Reply #193 on: July 20, 2005, 12:05:34 PM »
Hello Dowding,
Granted the IRA performs its deadly deeds against the Protestants of Northern Ireland, and non-combatants of any stripe in GB. I don't know anyone in the IRA, but it's my guess that if Northern Ireland had been invaded by Hindus instead of the Scots they would be attacking Hindus, not so much to spread Christianity, but but to free their island from outside invaders. Nevertheless, there's little doubt the IRA wants Catholic rule as well, and probably some Irish Catholics would prefer complete separation from the Roman communion. I don't think though that the IRA has gone to Calcutta and set off bombs to try to drive Hindus to Christianity. That I believe is the point.  And Islamists may be considered outside the pale by other Muslims, but the sheer number of Islamist groups indicates large numbers of "Muslims" believe terror is a valid, moral tactic. I spoke with a friend today at work who is from GB and he said two of the recent homicide bombers lived within a few miles of him. We work in hi-tech and he said the area he lives in is not a poverty-stricken Muslim ghetto.

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« Reply #194 on: July 20, 2005, 01:15:59 PM »
Hello Straffo,

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Why don't you compare on a longer period ?
I bet you will also find 100 million deaths in 2000 year period.


Mon ami, my point about Communism was not that religions are necessarily better than Communism, rather that anti-religious attitudes can be just as deadly as any religious attitude. And if the international socialist Communist revolution had been fomented for 2000 years instead of about 85 would it still lead the murderous pack? My opinion would be yes.

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