Author Topic: Comparing Islam to Christianity (Read 4420 times)

Leslie · « **Reply #150 on:** July 18, 2005, 10:42:27 PM »

All I know is, you guys better make sure you are saved. Just think what going to hell with Hangtime there would be like.

Just joking Hangtime.

~~Les~~

Gunthr · « **Reply #151 on:** July 19, 2005, 05:59:24 AM »

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Just think what going to hell with Hangtime there would be like.

Oh I think Hangtime would be able to quickly shift gears and adapt down there ... if you can call "sizzling and sputtering like a plump chorizo in a hot skillet" shifting gears...

j/k Hang

Simaril · « **Reply #152 on:** July 19, 2005, 07:13:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Silat
Well the Christians in the US didnt stand up until Pearl Harbor even though they knew of the atrocities. So I guess its all about the time frame.

"The Christians"???

Take it easy guys! We are not a uniform block!

While the majority of americans -- who happened to be christians -- were against intervention, thinking a european war was a worse option than nonintervention, there were many who felt Hitler had to be stopped. War and immigratoin policy were political decisions, made in the context of the worst worldwide depression in modern history.

Slamming the American "christians" of 65 years ago because they didnt stop Hitler is a bit disingenuous, by the way , since the easiest most efficient interventions were ignored by the europeans....After all, the US couldnt have re-occupied the Rhineland from the Germans with a single division in 36 -- and prevented the entire horror of the 40s. And we never signed a nonaggression pact with the Axis....

Lastly, why is it that you can slam the US for intervening in Iraq's internal atrocities (mass murder with chemical weapons, you know) and slam us again for NOT intervening against Hitler?

Leslie · « **Reply #153 on:** July 19, 2005, 07:39:39 AM »

Battle of the Bulge was the deciding factor of world war two for the US.

Les

lazs2 · « **Reply #154 on:** July 19, 2005, 08:03:05 AM »

silat and a few other anti christians seem to equate intolerance with suicide bombings... intelectual masterbation for children who have no life experiance and never had anything real to worry about in my opinion. Sheesh... equating not getting into the war soon enough to the anti semitism that is radical muslim today? silliness.

My neighbor is a jehova witness and he is friendly but intolerant of just about anything I would do...

I have no fear that a radical wing of his religion will send a suicide bomber over to my house tho. I find him and his group mildly anoying.. as hang says.. I will keep an eye on him..

In the mean time... lets hunt down the radical jihad sects of the muslims and kill every single man woman and child of em.

lazs

Leslie · « **Reply #155 on:** July 19, 2005, 08:16:10 AM »

If that's an attempt at humor Lazs, you need to start drinking.

Les

hacksaw1 · « **Reply #156 on:** July 19, 2005, 08:53:05 AM »

Did the Banu-Qurayza Jewish tribe break a treaty with Muhammad?

Here is an examination of the fate of the Banu-Qurayza that does not lead one to believe they broke any treaty with Muhammad.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/treaty.html

Best Regards,

Cement

hacksaw1 · « **Reply #157 on:** July 19, 2005, 08:55:23 AM »

Is it just "religions" that are bad?

Marx said religion was the opiate of the masses. Communist leaders saw religion as an impediment to the worker's "revolution" and to the promised utopia of world Communism.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/bates051305.htm

"The authoritative "Black Book of Communism – Crimes, Terror and Repression" provides the following Communist death toll estimates:

USSR – 20 million deaths
China – 65 million deaths
Vietnam – 1 million
North Korea – 2 million deaths
Cambodia – 2 million deaths
Eastern Europe – 1 million deaths
Latin America – 150,000 deaths
Africa – 1.7 million deaths
Afghanistan – 1.5 million deaths

Man-made famines and slave labor camp confinements were common causes of death, with Lenin and Stalin killing millions that way. In Chairman Mao’s China, some people were reduced to cannibalism. Other methods used by Communist tyrants were hanging, poisoning, gassing, drowning and that old standby, firing squads."

Cement

hacksaw1 · « **Reply #158 on:** July 19, 2005, 08:58:17 AM »

Terrorism: Questions & Answers
Terrorist Groups
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/home/

I've arranged the list of terror groups according to goals.

Sorry, I didn't find listed the "Methodist Ladies Chili-bean Supper and Terrorism for the promotion of Christianity Club."

Islamist means the group is promoting the cause of Islam through acts of terror.

Some of the groups listed are either quite small, or else are fading from the scene (Abu Nidal, PFLP, et al).

The Catholic IRA groups are not promoting Catholicism, but are in a conflict about the governance of Ireland, specifically Northern Ireland.

•   Al-Qaeda (Afghanistan, Islamists)
•   Jemaah Islamiyah (Southeast Asia, Islamists)
•   Jamaat al-Islamiyya, Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt, Islamists)
•   Armed Islamic Group (Algeria, Islamists)
•   Hezbollah (Lebanon, Islamists)
•   Hamas (Palestinian Islamists)
•   Islamic Jihad (Palestinian Islamists)
•   Kashmir Militant Extremists (Kashmir, Islamists)

•   Abu Sayyaf Group (Philippines, Islamist separatists)
•   East Turkestan Islamic Movement (China, separatists)
•   Chechnya-based Terrorists (Russia, separatists)
•   Ansar al Islam (Iraq, Islamists/Kurdish Separatists)

•   Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Palestinian nationalists)

•   Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (Iranian rebels)
•   Kurdistan Workers' Party (Turkey, separatists)
•   Abu Nidal Organization (Iraq, extremists)
•   PFLP, DFLP, PFLP-GC (Palestinian leftists)

•   Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (Sri Lanka, separatists)

•   Irish Republican Army (U.K., separatists)
•   IRA Splinter Groups (U.K., separatists)

•   Northern Ireland Loyalist Paramilitaries (U.K., extremists)

•   Basque Fatherland and Liberty (Spain, separatists)

•   November 17, Revolutionary People's Struggle (Greece, leftists)

•   FARC, ELN, AUC (Colombia, rebels)

•   Shining Path, Tupac Amaru (Peru, leftists)

•   Aum Shinrikyo (Japan, cultists)

•   Kach, Kahane Chai (Israel, extremists)

•   American Militant Extremists (United States, radicals)

Regards,

Cement

Edbert1 · « **Reply #159 on:** July 19, 2005, 12:32:39 PM »

I read an interesting blog (lost the link long ago) back in the first few months after 9-11 that espoused a theory which held that all western religions have undergone a violent period in their history. it seems to happen 800-1100 years after their founding. The Jews were guilty of great massacres of innocents and the razing of cities in their time. Christianity had the Crusades, and now it is just the turn for the newest religion on the block to spend their enegies lashing out at their neighbors.

The bad news is we have another few hundred years or so to go before the Islamicists outgrow this period in their evolution.

Silat · « **Reply #160 on:** July 19, 2005, 12:50:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
"The Christians"???

Take it easy guys! We are not a uniform block!

The christians were and are the majority. Who do you think was being quiet?
And of course I didnt mean each and every one of them:)

Silat · « **Reply #161 on:** July 19, 2005, 12:54:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
"The Christians"???

Lastly, why is it that you can slam the US for intervening in Iraq's internal atrocities (mass murder with chemical weapons, you know) and slam us again for NOT intervening against Hitler?

The question was asked mentioning Jews and I answered. It is history.
And I personally slam Bush and company for lying to us about the war and other things. Integrity my behind:(
I support our troops and I dont support mass murder.

Silat · « **Reply #162 on:** July 19, 2005, 01:01:53 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
silat and a few other anti christians seem to equate intolerance with suicide bombings... intelectual masterbation for children who have no life experiance and never had anything real to worry about in my opinion. Sheesh... equating not getting into the war soon enough to the anti semitism that is radical muslim today? silliness.

My neighbor is a jehova witness and he is friendly but intolerant of just about anything I would do...

I have no fear that a radical wing of his religion will send a suicide bomber over to my house tho. I find him and his group mildly annoying.. as hang says.. I will keep an eye on him..

In the mean time... lets hunt down the radical jihad sects of the muslims and kill every single man woman and child of em.
lazs

Im not anti Christian. I am anti fanatic. They come in all groups and sizes:)

And of course intolerance is related to the murderers who blow themselves up. Are you kidding me? They are intolerant of us. Are you saying you dont see that?

If you want to argue whether the genocide of the Nazis is equal to the fanatics of today Im ready for you.

We can start with the numbers of those killed by the Nazi fanatics as compared to the Islamic fanatics.

Hate and violence comes in all forms Laz.

Speaking softly from the pulpit but preaching forms of intolerance based on your religion is a form of violence in my opinion. It incites people to hate which ultimately leads to violence. History shows this over and over again.

In this country there just happen to be more intolerant Christians than any other group. Of course this has to do with numbers but it is still the facts.

Yeager · « **Reply #163 on:** July 19, 2005, 01:20:46 PM »

silat is a fanatical anti fanatic

bustr · « **Reply #164 on:** July 19, 2005, 01:50:44 PM »

Silat,

And being an anti-finatic you then become a "Finatic" against finatics....... Hang's diatrabes in this thread started sounding similare round about his last post.

Religion or personal Philosophy are both the same in that it is a person's identity and how that person cope's with life and eternity.

Unfortunatly we kill each other over the differences in these philosophy's. And just like the polorized positions in this thred, each beleive our personal philoshopy is the better answer to getting through life to eternity. Some quietly, and others very loud and hostile. And some even with bombs strapped to their belly's.

Even if you do not belong to an established faith with established traditions of Prosilitation and conversion, arguing against those faiths by using the evidence of your personal philosophy or way of life is absolutly no different. Your personal differences and distaste which motivates your confrontation is as much a form of intolerance as the intolerance you accuse those faiths of expressing as the core of thier tradition. (I'm thinking this is were casting the speck from your eye comes in to play.)

And so the same when you function in all aspects of your life including how you vote. You cannot separate your personal philosophy from how you choose to vote, act at work, or live your life. If you become the leader of your country, your leadership will be a reflection of your personal philosophy.