Author Topic: UK hit again? (Read 2350 times)

storch · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2005, 02:42:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Seagoon
Storch - Please refer all inquiries in this area to:

The Spanish Consulate
Division of Terrorism Encouragement
C/O Signor Jaime Biggorlyman

The American Media
Division of Quagmires and Handwringing
C/O Ms. Leeda Effeetbleeds

- SEAGOON

straffo · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2005, 02:55:01 PM »

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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Expected more from you than this, Seagoon.

Daniel

Je vois pas pourquoi tu est surpris.

for the MP : you expect to much.

SEAGOON may I remeber you how Aznar didn't respected the wil of the people who have elected him and how he tried to cheat when after 11 march ?

storch · « **Reply #47 on:** July 21, 2005, 02:58:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Please reconsider your words. The vast majority of Islam does not condone these attacks, your statement seems to suggest otherwise.

you read much more into my simple statement than was put into it but that would be par for the course. having written that, perhaps the mods will allow the following.

the vast majority of moslems keep quiet when other moslems attack non moslems. IMO the vast majority of islam is therefore implicated in these attacks. I have an associate who is palestinian. he is quite well off from a security business here. i like this guy but at times i could pommel him, he feels (and claims that most moslems do as well) that these types of attacks were the will of god and that the victims had it coming to them as some form karma. chairboy i like you so i would ask you to put aside your liberal kumbaya outlook with regard to islam. islam from it's inception was militant and is far from a religion of peace. it's funny to me how christian's feet are all held to fire because of the acts of a few loonies like eric rudolph yet the moslems get a pass from some for the never ending acts of terror they cheerfully commit.

storch · « **Reply #48 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:01:51 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Je vois pas pourquoi tu est surpris.

for the MP : you expect to much.

SEAGOON may I remeber you how Aznar didn't respected the wil of the people who have elected him and how he tried to cheat when after 11 march ?

I agree aznar being dumped was a function of more than just any single event, however the message sent to the terrorist is inescapable. the spaniards could have waited for a more appropriate time to depose aznar.

straffo · « **Reply #49 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:09:40 PM »

Perhaps Storch but it's a case of "serpent qui se mord la queue" (snake biting it's own tail)

soda72 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:17:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Seagoon
Yeager,

The facts of the Beltway Sniper case are well known. We used to live in the area, and in fact many of our family members still do. At what point were the two of them confronted, wounded, or killed by armed citizens? Never once during their reign of terror. They weren't even detected during the shootings, they simply sniped targets via a hole cut in the trunk of their vehicle.

- SEAGOON

Wasn't those guys caught by a truck driver with a cell phone at a rest stop?

I don't think the police had a clue. They were looking for some crazy white male. In the end it was a concerned citizen that put an end to their terror..

Hangtime · « **Reply #51 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:19:14 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
you read much more into my simple statement than was put into it but that would be par for the course. having written, that perhaps the mods will allow the following.

the vast majority of moslems keep quiet when other moslems attack non moslems. IMO the vast majority of islam is therefore implicated in these attacks. I have an associate who is palestinian. he is quite well off from a security business here. i like this guy but at times i could pommel him, he feels (and claims that most moslems do as well) that these types of attacks were the will of god and that the victims had it coming to them as some form karma. chairboy i like you so i would ask you to put aside your liberal kumbaya outlook with regard to islam. islam from it's inception was militant and is far from a religion of peace. it's funny to me how christians are all held to fire because of the acts of a few loonies like eric rudolph yet the moslems get a pass from some for the never ending acts of terror they cheerfully commit.

While I aknowledge the difference between islamic and christian philosophy with regards to primacy it's stumbling block often devolves to how it's accomplished. The basis of the concept of religious supremacy in the affairs of men remains an insidious destroyer of cultures.. ours and theirs.

I'd hope that our christian culture would avoid diatribe that pits their (islam) religion against christianty, and instead stamp the menace of Islamic Jihad out from the platform of crimes against mankind rather than the pulpit of crimes against christianity.

Snuff 'em? You bet. Hunt 'em, tag 'em and bag 'em. For Mankind. Not Christ.

Seagoon · « **Reply #52 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:27:24 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Je vois pas pourquoi tu est surpris.

for the MP : you expect to much.

SEAGOON may I remeber you how Aznar didn't respected the wil of the people who have elected him and how he tried to cheat when after 11 march ?

Straffo,

My French is absolutely appalling, but isn't the actual translation closer to "I don't see why you are surprised" ? Just wanted to check to see if I'd forgotten everything about yet another language.

Anyway, thank you for the reminder. I am no expert in Spanish politics, but prior to the attack, Rajoy was leading Zapatero in all the polls by a comfortable margin. In fact, I don't believe many here in the USA or Britain thought that a victory for the Socialist Workers Party was a serious possibility prior to the bombings. Three days after the bombings, the turn-out at the polls was an unheard of 77% and Zapatero was elected. One could perhaps lay the blame on those who elected Zapatero, but ultimately it was his new governmnet who handed the victory to Al Qaeda. How difficult would it have been to have defiantly said NON to the terrorists for several months at least until the US elections to show that they couldn't get what they wanted via murder and mayhem?

Europe learned in the middle ages that the practice of paying "Dane Gelt" (paying the Vikings not to attack) actually had the reverse effect and that ultimately the only way to end Viking raiding was to make the price of such a raid too costly for them to pay. I wish we didn't have to learn the same lessons over and over and over again.

- SEAGOON

CyranoAH · « **Reply #53 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:29:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Seagoon

I hold the newly elected Spanish government responsible for their decision to give the terrorists what they wanted,

The spanish government promised to bring the troops home if they were elected. They were elected, the troops came home.

You don't like it? Fine, but that's what happened.

Daniel

Seagoon · « **Reply #54 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:34:11 PM »

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Originally posted by soda72
Wasn't those guys caught by a truck driver with a cell phone at a rest stop?

I don't think the police had a clue. They were looking for some crazy white male. In the end it was a concerned citizen that put an end to their terror..

Yup, that's how they were found. And at the time the media were falling all over themselves to make sure that we didn't think there might be a connection to uh... You know uh... that peaceful thing-a-ma-jig.

- SEAGOON

CyranoAH · « **Reply #55 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:38:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Seagoon

Anyway, thank you for the reminder. I am no expert in Spanish politics, but prior to the attack, Rajoy was leading Zapatero in all the polls by a comfortable margin. In fact, I don't believe many here in the USA or Britain thought that a victory for the Socialist Workers Party was a serious possibility prior to the bombings. Three days after the bombings, the turn-out at the polls was an unheard of 77% and Zapatero was elected. One could perhaps lay the blame on those who elected Zapatero, but ultimately it was his new governmnet who handed the victory to Al Qaeda. How difficult would it have been to have defiantly said NON to the terrorists for several months at least until the US elections to show that they couldn't get what they wanted via murder and mayhem?

I sincerely believe that if Aznar and co. had had the balls to say, the minute they had the certainty: "yes, gentlemen, the bombs are from Al Qaeda" instead of playing the "perhaps it was ETA" until after the elections, they would have been reelected. Actually, there's not a doubt in my mind about that.

They were afraid it would negatively affect their chances of victory. What do you know, it was the other way around.

Imagine Tony Blair telling the press that, disregarding all the clear evidence pointing to islamic extremism, there's a fair chance the attacks are from IRA. It's all the same that the explosives, the modus operandi, the target, point to Al Qaeda. It's the IRA, I tell you. Right before election day.

And more evidence is unveiled pointing even more clearly towards Al Qaeda. Would you feel cheated? Many people did here.

Daniel

Seagoon · « **Reply #56 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:48:24 PM »

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Originally posted by CyranoAH
The spanish government promised to bring the troops home if they were elected. They were elected, the troops came home.

You don't like it? Fine, but that's what happened.

Daniel

Daniel,

Al Qaeda was quite aware of the Socialist Workers party platform, that's why they timed thier attacks when they did. Aznar was standing for the right thing in difficult circumstances, the terrorists wanted him and his successor out. The Socialists should have at least held up their decision for a few months.

Are you seriously going to argue that Spain didn't cave-in to terrorists and that it wasn't an encouragement to take the same tack with other European nations?

What I do and don't personally like is pretty much immaterial, but if it comes down to it, I personally don't believe we should do a single thing Al-Qaeda demands - ever. If we were planning to do it before, then the fact that they demand it, should be enough reason to change our minds.

Look, I suppose being frustrated over the continuing situation is making me more polemical than I should be, and for that I'm sorry. It's quite possible I should take a breather.

- SEAGOON

Overlag · « **Reply #57 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:50:29 PM »

my dad works for stagecoach busses and since stagecoach have pissed these muslim thugs off they keep hitting them... very worrying

gatso · « **Reply #58 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:52:50 PM »

RE. the grouping all muslims in the same terrorist boat. The Times carried a full page statement today on behalf of a great number of UK muslim groups from all over the country stating their abhorance at the attacks of two weeks ago and their anguish that these attacks had been carried out in the name of Islaam.

While I'm sure it is no sympathy to individuals or family members caught up in the 7/7 bombings it really seems that there could be some good come out of this whole situation as the majority of UK based muslims look inward at what on earth could have caused an individual born in the UK to carry out these attacks in the name of their own religion which seems so far away from their own sense of values.

Insha'Allah

Gatso

gatso · « **Reply #59 on:** July 21, 2005, 03:58:37 PM »

A quick req. Anyone have the todays Times still? I read the page and remember there being a web address on it somewhere, something like

http://www.islamforpeace.org.uk

can someone post it, I'd like to have a look.

Ta

Gatso