house votes to make patriot act provisions permanent

[wrag]

Originally posted by lazs2
boroda.. I am glad you realize that being extorted is against human nature and that communism is allways doomed to fail when humans are involved.

I do fail to see anything that soviet russia had that I want tho.

I also think that you have hit on another basic truth.... if you don't like it... move away.   While some things have been accomplished by voting... moving away from population centerws is allmost allways a better way to stay free...  except if you are randy weaver say during a democrats rule.

lazs

While I'm in agreement with you I've come to the conclusion it won't work, at least not for long.

With the tech they have now and what's coming...........

You can't be allowed to live away.  It creates hope in your fellow citizens/slaves.  You WILL live in the cities with everyone else or you will be hunted down and killed if necassary.

Who will do the hunting?  Why would they want to hunt you?  You're kidding right?

Those that hunt you will be told their doing it for the good of the state/people.  They will be lied to, or worse they will have the SS mentallity and will actually take joy in any challenge you might present.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Boroda
Lazs, do you seriously think that you can change anything by voting?...

From what you, guys, wrote - I see that ypu are moving fast towards the most effective government system ever invented: good old USSR...

 

Ummm is that why it lasted less then 100 years? LOL

[lasersailor184]

Gah, I was willing to tolerate the Patriot Act on a part time basis, but this **** won't fly.

[Yeager]

the soviet union was a mistake and a disaster for the entire world.  Lennon should have been killed as a young man and stalin was just a schematic for hussein and other toxic gasses.

What you have today with the russian federation is the best shot at evolution the russian people will ever have.

On Topic:  I have yet to read or hear anything about making any provision of the patriot act permanent.

Besides you guys, you americans at least, should know that no law in a democratic system is permanent.

Any law or act can be changed.

[Eagler]

[JB88]

Originally posted by Yeager
the soviet union was a mistake and a disaster for the entire world.  Lennon should have been killed as a young man and stalin was just a schematic for hussein and other toxic gasses.

What you have today with the russian federation is the best shot at evolution the russian people will ever have.

On Topic:  I have yet to read or hear anything about making any provision of the patriot act permanent.

Besides you guys, you americans at least, should know that no law in a democratic system is permanent.

Any law or act can be changed.

well, then either you are not reading enough or you are not seeing through the barrage of information and changes that are occurring faster than we can keep up with them (the informed populace.)  

further, while i agree with you that laws can and do change, there is one essential point that most americans seem to be missing.

THE CONSTITUTION is not something that is easilly changed.  many of the basic rights guaranteed by the the constitution are being eroded by low level edicts via the patriot act.

if the congress or the government wants to change the constitution it may do so but this is a long process and requires a much larger concensus...including ratification on the state level.

this is my major beef.  the constitution is being ignored by those in power who know that they could not easilly change it to further political agendas.

[Yeager]

well...its going on three days now and the only place...the ONLY place I have heard about making any provision of the PA permanent is on this bsb.  Hell...even CNN is not making any stink over this latest renewal of select few of the PA provisions.

I take as many different news/media sources into account as possible  whenever I level load all the data out on any particular news piece.  When the data divergence is on the bsb only, then I disregard that tidbit of info completely.  Which btw, I find is the case about 40% of the time.

Perhaps you have a legit web link you could post, sorry if I already missed it?

Eagler, Great Album BTW

[Nash]

Originally posted by JB88
how can we expect other countries to develop and sustain thier own constitutions if we cannot do so with our own?

Well maybe we're smarter than you.

(don't be so arrogant)

[JB88]

and "we" are?

(dont be so coy)

[Excel1]

Originally posted by Boroda
Do you see a trick? The "war" started by your current rulers is endless, there is no way to win it.  So they simply want extra powers forewer. Smart guys, indeed. Àôôòàð, ïåøè èñ÷î.

I dont know what the last part of the paragraph means but the rest of it pretty much sums up the patriot act as far as I can see. It could be around for a long time. There is allways going to be some threat to US national security even when the current situation dies down, so the pa might even become permenatly embeded in some shape or form. Governments, even democraticly elected ones take such liberties it's not funny. There's not much you can do about it either if it's been done in the name of national security.

Excel

[lazs2]

boroda... You are right about them hunting you down and killing you to make an example...

the democrats would love everyone to be loafer wearing taxi riders herded intp cities...  they do go out and hunt down those who live free..  Randy Weaver and his family were targeted by hundreds of secret police for death.   His crime was that he wouldn't co-operate in targeting larger groups that had left the city and didn't vote socialist.

Branch diviidians left the fold and were.... even worse... religious... something that former commies know is the worst thing on earth... they also exercised their 2nd ammendment rights in a way that was unashamed... they were a bad example that simply had to be dealt with...  democrats burned allmost 30 children alive to get the point across.

lazs

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Yeager
the soviet union was a mistake and a disaster for the entire world.  Lennon should have been killed as a young man and stalin was just a schematic for hussein and other toxic gasses.

October revolution was only a result of Emperor's treason and improper use of heritage laws.

If only Great Prince Nikolay Nikolayevich could take power from his silly nephew...

Nice typo about Lenin

Stalinism was the only way for the nation to survive. Unfortunately I don't see any alternative.

Stalinism = a system of social relations where in emergency conditions the responsibility directly corresponds with a level of decisions made. A person responsible for vital decisions should be responsible with his life.

Originally posted by Yeager
What you have today with the russian federation is the best shot at evolution the russian people will ever have.

Seeing the situation from inside - I can only say that you are horribly mistaken What we got here is Stalinism upside-down: the more vital decisions made are - the lesser the responsibility is. But still we don't have anything like PA. Everything is worked in ordinary, non-emergency way. A rebellion of terrorists that lasts for 15 years now with occasional bomb or two in Moscow is an ordinary situation, we got used to it 1000 years ago. We don't heed any special legislative act to bayonet terrorists on our own land.

[bj229r]

88, what is your opinion on racial profiling? (i.e. rag*****)