The welll armed citizen should have..

[SMIDSY]

buy a second-hand longarm. no need for registration so harder for the coppers to track you down:aok

[DrDea]

I find myself looking for the Laz take but as a been in the field type I would say this.The 243 is a good flat shooting gun.Less recoil than the 7mm rem but just as much stopping power if your looking to shoot game or terrorists from a dist.up close gun?I like that Mossburg.2 rounds of .000 folled by 3 of slug.If that doesnt stop it beat it with the stock or run.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If you are looking at a Sig the best prices on Sig Handguns I have seen are here:

http://www.ordnanceoutsellers.com/index.htm

I have pretty much chosen to go with a Sig P226.  

The only things to decide on are 9mm vs .40cal and New In Box or Sig's Certified pre owned. The price difference from the website above is $200, $465 vs $669.

Grunherz, one thing I thought I'd mention.  I was looking at the stuff available at the local range downtown the other day and they have a large selection of SIGs.  They do a big business in refurbs.  They are all factory certified like new ones, but sell for at least 300 less.  Also, due to the popularity of the P226, they have lots of stock of the P229 and suggested that other gun stores might be having similar problems.  The P229 is the same gun really, it just is slightly shorter.  Same frame, same grips, same everything.  Just about an inch shorter on the barrel length.  Might be worth it for you to check out any price differences and try the P229 if it's much cheaper.  Might also check on the refurb ones at your local store instead of the website.  I know from experience, buying guns off the internet can be a pain.

[lazs2]

Interesting..

If you were good with a 1911 then you might just consider getting a good 1911 style gun doesn't sound like you want to spend a great deal of time getting used to a new weapon.  

I would recomend the Kimber eclipse custom or Wilson combat... both are expensive.   eat less till you can afford em.  go to a few less movies... whatever.

Long gun?  go for an Ak 47 knockoff or a ruger mini 14 or mini 30 with folding stock and some 5 ten and 30 round mags.

carry around?   if you think you will need close range fightstoppers...  you need a Smith and Wesson 340 PD in .357 mag.  There is nothing like it for weight (12oz) concealability and power in the semi auto world.   It can also be fired from the pocket.

For me... I like my 44 mags.   I can hit as well with em as I can with a carbine at your 200 yard limitation...and, I think they pack more punch.   I like the Rugers in superblackhawk and Redhawk or the Dan Wesson in 4 6 or 8 inch barrel.   The anaconda looks good but Colt has allways been spotty on reliability for me.

Another interesting and light carbine is the Trapper lever action in 45-70.  

lazs

[GRUNHERZ]

I'd like to buy a gun locally, but all the Bay Area gun stores have insane prices.

Lazs, do you know of nay gun store in california where I can get a Sig P226 for $465-500?

[lazs2]

oh... for cheap and reliable and cheap ammo?

the days of rattle trap 1911's for $75 is long gone but...

the commie stuff is bargin basement, fire sale cheap.

Makarov is the best handgun they made and a steal at around $200... Ammo is like $5 a box in bulk..  the gun is a little heavy for it's size and power but is very reliable and holds 9 rounds.   It is not as powerful as a full size 9 mm or as easy to conceal as a 340 pd but it is a well made fairly accurate pistol..

also the sks and ak47 family are good for about the same reasons.

I find it odd these days that people who never owned a gun or haven't owned one in ages are all now asking about getting one and basicaly saying that they want to get one "before it is too late"....

buy the gun(s) and send in the $35 to the NRA and it will probly never be "too late" ...

The best thing you can do to insure that we allways have our gun rights is to buy a gun and join the NRA..

the more of us there are the more our government fears us instead of the other way around.

lazs

[SKJohn]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
... From experience though, I will make this observation.  The .357/.38 cartridges are rather difficult to load in the lever action, unless you have smaller fingers.  I have a hard time getting them loaded easily, having to use my pinky finger lots of times to finish pushing the cartridge into the gun.  

I second that.  I have  Marlin .357 lever action, and I have to use an extra shell to push the others in past the loading gate.  I don't think that my fingers are that much biger than others....
Also, try to use bullets with a round nose profile - mine has hung up on the loading ramp when using semi-wadcutters.  I've found the S&B 158 gr. JHP ammo feeds well thru mine and is also fairly accurate.  It's not all that expensive when ordered in bulk.

Marlin with S&W 686 is a good combo, but as others have stated, revolvers are not as concealable as autos.

Now if you could find one of the Coonan (?) .357 autos that were made years ago (1911 style auto) you'd have a combo that would fit your wants and needs.

[superpug1]

If i was u, i would go for a sks, shoots 7.62x39 so the ammo is cheap. it can bring down deer and Elk (at closer ranges) the AP bullets can pierce engine blocks rather easily, no to mention any sort of improvised assault vehicle u could come against (like a tacticle, u know a truck w a gun on it). Relatively light, ive shot my dads since i was 12, standing, kneeling, prone, and bench. 10 round magazine is basic, but u can easily acquire a 30 round box or 75 round drum (detachable or not). easy to maintane, tough, reliable.
For concealed, i would go with a CZ of some kind. cheap, reliable, come in .38 and 9mm.
Just my 2 cents.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by superpug1
If i was u, i would go for a sks, shoots 7.62x39 so the ammo is cheap. it can bring down deer and Elk (at closer ranges) the AP bullets can pierce engine blocks rather easily, no to mention any sort of improvised assault vehicle u could come against (like a tacticle, u know a truck w a gun on it). Relatively light, ive shot my dads since i was 12, standing, kneeling, prone, and bench. 10 round magazine is basic, but u can easily acquire a 30 round box or 75 round drum (detachable or not). easy to maintane, tough, reliable.
For concealed, i would go with a CZ of some kind. cheap, reliable, come in .38 and 9mm.
Just my 2 cents.  

ap... urrruuungh??? 30 round box... roh roh... roh!

ok.. sold. I'll start diggin around in the back of the local commie martyr discount trailer in the parking lot at the next yankees game.

do i want the SK in chicom green or yugo dogturd brown?

[Kimber1]

a few Kimbers always work


and heres two ready for a day on the town............

[Hangtime]

some of you guys are just plain.... well... freaky-deaky, yah know?

*sigh*

Boroda's sittin on the sidelines.. wonder what he's thinkin.. the rats on the sinking ship of democracy are lining up for cheap commie auto carbines to blow each other to hell with.

*sigh*

[Toad]

If it's the SKS, you want Chicom if you can get one reasonable. The chrome lined bore is a plus when shooting corrosive ammo and the Yugo SKS isn't chrome lined.

Go here to check prices to give you an idea of what you should pay:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/search.cgi

[Helldvr]

I have a 22. Caliber pistol, Highly acurate and Very nice to shoot (its a revoler)

[Toad]

How "AP" is the 7.62X39?

http://www.ak-47.net/ammo/steelcore.html

[Hangtime]

won't poke holes in a BTR.

Don't hope to be trying to poke holes in BTR's.

Will be happy if it pokes holes hondas.

don't much like toyotas either.