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Offline Hangtime

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« on: July 23, 2005, 12:47:41 PM »
When my daughter was born, to satisfy my liberal wife and sterilize the incessant debate, my 1911 .45 acp went to my brother. It went with him in Oregon. My old mossberg 12g went to my Father-in laws.

There are no weapons currently in my house.

I shoot every once in awile with friends using their stuff at a range.. I'm way outta practice, but like riding a bike, a few rounds brings back the instinct and brings up to the forebrain the training and conditioning.

My kid grew up, the Mossberg is rusted junk, the .45 is MIA. I read the paper, watch the news, I'm feeling a bit itchy. I don't fear the folks in my neighborhood, and I've never felt an overpowering need to carry concealed. But I am concerned that in a very few years, those that don't have may never have a weapon.

Considering the probablility of 'need' forces a careful consideration of the circumstances of need.. possible point defense, but more likely mobility security.. defense while in vehicle or cross-country on foot. Logistics forces a careful rethink of traditional considerations.

I'd like your best considered advice regarding the nature and selection of weapons for such circumstances. The qualifiers are cost and likely availabilty of ammo, concealability for one weapon, 'reach' and durabilty and ease of slinged carry for the long gun. Both must be robust. Weight is an issue. Speed of deployment is an issue. If both the cancealed and long gun use the same ammo, that would be a big plus, as long as it can be easily aquired... would consider a carbine here. Not having much luck finding an ideal 'pair' of weapons.

Thanks!
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Offline DJ111

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2005, 12:57:42 PM »
Sig P226 in 9mm, .357 SIG or .40 S&W.

Probably cost under or right around $400
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Offline Skydancer

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2005, 01:09:48 PM »
The well armed citizen should have .................One of these!



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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2005, 01:13:37 PM »
WTF are yah gonna do with that? Flip pizza? I got one of these. Far more effective.

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2005, 01:38:04 PM »
Rule #7
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2005, 01:43:34 PM »
Both the same caliber?

Hmmm suggests a 357 pair to me.

Say a 357 revolver and a 357 lever action, perhaps a marlin?  With this combo one could take deer size game should the need arise.  The length of the barrel only ads to the velocity/energy in this caliber.

It is possible to go with a 9mm but I don't care for the 9mm.

Could do the same in a .44 but the recoil on the .44 pistol can be extreme with heavy loads.  A ruger and a marlin?  S&W and a marlin?  Think Ruger has. or used to have, a 44 mag carbine as well.

Not the same caliber?

.45 acp and perhaps an SKS?  Or a good quality bolt action in .308?

All the calibers mentioned are readily available in most area's of the U.S.

The 7.62x39 Russian cartridge has become very popular and seems to be availble everywhere within the U.S.

Rifle calibers that seem the most popular ........

30.06, .270, 308, 7mm mag.....

.270 is very flat shooting relative to most and has the plus of lower recoil.

Just some thoughts hope they help.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2005, 03:02:08 PM »
Remington 870.  



Personally, I wouldn't buy a used gun from a dealer, only from someone I know that shot the thing.  Just me though.  

.357 would be a good option as well.  Use .38 ammo for cutting paper.

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2005, 03:04:18 PM »
I would agree with wrag, the boom in the cowboy action shooting market has made many lever action guns available in pistol calibers.  The .357/.38 lever actions, and the same in a revolver make for a nice combo.  From experience though, I will make this observation.  The .357/.38 cartridges are rather difficult to load in the lever action, unless you have smaller fingers.  I have a hard time getting them loaded easily, having to use my pinky finger lots of times to finish pushing the cartridge into the gun.  

The .45 LC versions of the revolver and lever action gun are much easier to load (IMO).  While the energy isnt there in the cowboy loads, you can find full power loads for the guns that perform quite nicely.  A full powder load with a 250 grain bullet at around 1200 fps does significant damage when it hits and has quite a punch.  The Ruger Vaquero is a really nice gun in the .45, along with the replica Colts that are out there on the market.  You can get them in Single or Double/Single action.  If you are concerned with overpenetration in a home environment, go with the lower powered cowboy loads.  They'll deliver a 235 grain bullet at around 900 fps.  Enough to do the job.  If you still have worries even with the low power loads, try the Glasers bullets.  They make them in .45 LC for home defense.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2005, 03:20:17 PM »
I think 45 Colt is an excellent caliber for your purpose, and along with the .357 Magnum, fits well with your goal of having both share the same caliber.

The only real drawback is the fact that while I LOVE revolvers, the auto loader is a better package for concealed carry if concealment is the primary concern.

A Ruger GP 100 paired with a Winchester lever action carbine would make a good pair. Affordable, reliable, durable, and accurate.

I use single action guns for 45 Colt as a general rule, not good for concealed carry personal defence (confronting anyone with a cocked single action weapon is a real liability). I don't know if you can find a concealable 45 Colt double action revolver in a size and shape that is easily concealable.

The 45 Colt offers the best range of ammunition commonly available for multiple purposes. But the .357 Magnum isn't bad either.


Were it not for your desire to have both weapons share the same ammunition, I'd immediately suggest  a Sig P220 in 45ACP and a Winchester lever action carbine in 44 Magnum for wider utility.
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2005, 03:27:56 PM »
I'd nominate .357 / .38 too.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2005, 05:00:21 PM »
With your specification for long and short gun to use the same shell it's gotta be what Wrag said. Either in .357 or .44 Mag.
If not the same ammo then more choices are open.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2005, 05:28:14 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2005, 05:42:15 PM »
I have Ruger .22, but I think I might get rid of it since I really like to get 1911A1 Colt .45 Pistol
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2005, 05:51:56 PM »
Shortest barrell auto-loading shotgun you can find.
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2005, 05:52:46 PM »
springfield XD 40....

right around $430
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