West changes it's mind?

[Boroda]

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9fb1e632-fd30-11d9-b224-00000e2511c8.html

Or they again blame Russia for their utter failure?...

Israeli and Russian security forces were among those who advised UK police, before the British force revised its rules of engagement with suspected suicide bombers.

The Russian authorities, meanwhile, have also sought advice from their Israeli counterparts. Russia has suffered several high-profile terrorist attacks involving suicide bombers, notably the siege of the Dubrovka theatre in 2002 and the school hostage drama in Beslan last year.

Suicide bombers have also struck at the Moscow metro and a hotel in the Russian capital.

Mr Wilkinson said the response of the Russian authorities had been one of “unhesitating” and “draconian, massive response”.

Looks like they still blame Russia for "excessive violence" at the same time using Russian experience as an excuse for an accient with a Brazilan guy. A perfect example of a "quo licet jovi, non licet bovi" double standard.

/*I hope I'll not be "rule#16'd" for using well-known Latin expressions*/

I can only say that I can't imagine Moscow militia shooting someone at the case like Stockwell accident. At least I hope they'll never shoot in a subway.

I think that de Menezes behaved absloutely stupidly, but still... Here noone shoots at women in black Moslim clothes in a subway, even when they behave like suicide bombers - they try to evacuate them, maybe because our militia knows about "dead hand" detonators.

[Hangtime]

Yer point is?

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Boroda
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9fb1e632-fd30-11d9-b224-00000e2511c8.html

Or they again blame Russia for their utter failure?...





Looks like they still blame Russia for "excessive violence" at the same time using Russian experience as an excuse for an accient with a Brazilan guy. A perfect example of a "quo licet jovi, non licet bovi" double standard.

/*I hope I'll not be "rule#16'd" for using well-known Latin expressions*/

I can only say that I can't imagine Moscow militia shooting someone at the case like Stockwell accident. At least I hope they'll never shoot in a subway.

I think that de Menezes behaved absloutely stupidly, but still... Here noone shoots at women in black Moslim clothes in a subway, even when they behave like suicide bombers - they try to evacuate them, maybe because our militia knows about "dead hand" detonators.

I believe you are over reacting to a reporters point of view not a western bias. But then maybe I read it wrong

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Krusher
I believe you are over reacting to a reporters point of view not a western bias. But then maybe I read it wrong

Maybe I am over reacting, but it's an attitude (Westen bias) I often see from intelligent Western people here.

[Hangtime]

Boroda, there will always be 'bias' between cultures and nations.

As long as there's a 'free press', you'll find plenty of examples of it.

No biggie.

[Furball]

Boroda i think you have misunderstood the point of that article, they are not blaming Russia - they are justifying the use of shoot to kill tactics on the underground as they are used elsewhere to combat suicide bombers.

But elsewhere, such tough tactics are largely accepted as necessary in confronting suspected bombers or people posing a a life-threatening danger to others.

If someone decides to run away from armed police who have gone up to speak to him, jump a ticket point, run down a platform while getting screamed at to get down, then runs onto a busy train the day after a suicide attack attempt should get shot.

It is unfortunate for the guy that was killed and his family, but he has no one to blame but himself for his actions.

If he had been a suicide bomber, and he had run onto the train and blown himself up, people would be whining asking why the police didnt stop him.

Originally posted by Boroda
Looks like they still blame Russia for "excessive violence" at the same time using Russian experience as an excuse for an accient with a Brazilan guy. A perfect example of a "quo licet jovi, non licet bovi" double standard.

I dont think the Beslan siege and the theatre in Moscow are comparable to the Stockdale incident.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Furball
Boroda i think you have misunderstood the point of that article, they are not blaming Russia - they are justifying the use of shoot to kill tactics on the underground as they are used elsewhere to combat suicide bombers.

I see that they say: "Look, Russians taught us to shoot on sight at suspicious people" (that Russians didn't)

Originally posted by Furball
If someone decides to run away from armed police who have gone up to speak to him, jump a ticket point, run down a platform while getting screamed at to get down, then runs onto a busy train the day after a suicide attack attempt should get shot.

It is unfortunate for the guy that was killed and his family, but he has no one to blame but himself for his actions.

If he had been a suicide bomber, and he had run onto the train and blown himself up, people would be whining asking why the police didnt stop him.

Running from police is always a silly thing to do for an innocent person.

But using firearms at a possible suicide bomber in an underground is even more stupid. Ever heard about "dead hand"? More to say - using firearms in an underground station is the top stupidity.

What's the difference between a "day after a suicide attack attempt" and any other day? I never understand the "security measures" that apply only for a week or somthing after another attack.

Example from Moscow metro: a woman wearing black clothes and a Moslim scarf behaving nervously was reported by passengers to Line Militia, militia "warriors" checked the car and found out that she pours some liquid from a bottle onto her dress and there is something underneath her clothes that is shaped like a bomb-belt... They simply took her hand and handcuffed her to a stick so she couldn't do anything with her hands, and then evacuated her on the escalator. First thing they did was not to shoot but to make sure she'll be unable to blow herself up, and to make sure that a "dead hand" will not work.

Our militia are usually complete morons, but they didn't even think of using weapons.

It's about what Russians could teach your law-efocement.

Originally posted by Furball
I dont think the Beslan siege and the theatre in Moscow are comparable to the Stockdale incident.

Nevertheles so-called "excessive violence" in this terrorist acts is used to justify a shooting at Stockdale! Beautiful logics!

[parker00]

Didn't they mention Israel just as much as Russia or did you miss that in your rush to post this and bash the west?

[Yeager]

Boroda, here is the bottom line:  when the police are chasing you, expect a bullet.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Boroda
I see that they say: "Look, Russians taught us to shoot on sight at suspicious people" (that Russians didn't)

It is saying we have taken advice from both yourselves and the Israeli's on how to deal with suicide bombers.  Nowhere does it say that you taught us to shoot innocent people.

Originally posted by Boroda
Nevertheles so-called "excessive violence" in this terrorist acts is used to justify a shooting at Stockdale! Beautiful logics!

No, not at all, nowhere did it blame the russians, you are assuming they are.

Your assumptions are way off base, the Metropolitan police were the first to admit they made a mistake and did not try to pass the blame onto anyone.  Not even the guy that ran from them.

You really need to put your tin foil hat on.

[Stringer]

I thought this was about the "gift" Superbowl ring Kraft "gave" to Putin.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Yeager
Boroda, here is the bottom line:  when the police are chasing you, expect a bullet.

Facing a Militia "warrior" I am always coward and unscrupulous.

I never run away from them. I dont expect a bullet, they haveto fill too much papers for every bullet shot, and they are too lazy to chase a person who runs away, but with me they usually just check my passport or complain about drinking in public places, I don't commit any crimes other then riding a bus without a ticket. And I usually try to help them when they do a real job (not extorting money) like always being a witness when they search an arrested person and take away his posessions (I need to sign a list so they'll not steal anything), or reporting pickpockets searching drunk people when I ride metro at night.

But I never make any fast movements and never run, regardless to being 100% sure they'll not open fire.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Furball
It is saying we have taken advice from both yourselves and the Israeli's on how to deal with suicide bombers.  Nowhere does it say that you taught us to shoot innocent people.

No, not at all, nowhere did it blame the russians, you are assuming they are.

Your assumptions are way off base, the Metropolitan police were the first to admit they made a mistake and did not try to pass the blame onto anyone.  Not even the guy that ran from them.

You really need to put your tin foil hat on.

Ok, thanks and sorry for being paranoid.

What I hate is that after Beslan all Western media talked about "Russians responsible for terrorist attacks because they don't let Chechnya free", and after London bombings it was "politically incorrect" here to say same things about UK involvement in Iraq, IIRC one or two journalists lost their jobs for saying it Again - "quo licet jovi, non licet bovi"

[Furball]

Originally posted by Boroda
What I hate is that after Beslan all Western media talked about "Russians responsible for terrorist attacks because they don't let Chechnya free"

You honestly need to get out of the cold war mentality Boroda.

I can remember nothing but shock and sympathy for the Russians over that attack, may have been a bit of criticism on the way it was handled though.

[BUG_EAF322]

What I hate is that after Beslan all Western media talked about "Russians responsible for terrorist attacks because they don't let Chechnya free",

Oh and thats what u read in ur paper i guess.

I never mentioned it btw.

All here was just focussed on the victims.

Oh and..... i think ur country belongs to the west side also. ( with a french german pain in the prettythang attitude)
Now just start to accept it.