P-47 N Never Saw Action in WWII

[2Hawks]

The P47N models were fitted with an enlarged, blunt tipped wing. This gave a total of 322 sq ft of wing. This was 22 sq ft larger than the standard P47 wings. The blunt wing tips gave the P47N models a roll rate of approximately 98 degrees per second; compare that to 79 degrees per second for standard wing P47s. The N wing also had a 18" wing extension and a 93 gallon fuel tank. Maximum take-off weight was 20,166 pounds! The first combat unit to receive the N model was.... the 56th Fighter Group. The war ended before the new Thundebolts could be assembled, and never saw combat in Europe. The N had a cruise range of well over two thousand miles. This would have put the Wolfpack all the way into Austria from Boxted... Anyway, the 56thFG did end up flying the "N"... at their new home at Selfridge AFB in Michigan, after WWII

Reference:
http://www.majorleesaerodrome.net/index.html

[1K3]

56th FG were stationed on the other side of the world at that time (England)

Ummmm...

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_13.html

The XP-47N flew for the first time on July 22, 1944. Such was the USAAF confidence in the Thunderbolt design that they went ahead and ordered 1900 P-47Ns in June 20, 1944, even before the first XP-47N had flown.

The P-47N was destined to be the last version of the Thunderbolt to be manufactured. The first P-47N-1-RE appeared in September of 1944, and 24 were delivered by year's end. The P-47N-5-RE and subsequent batches had zero-length rocket launchers added. The R-2800-77 engine was installed in late production models such as the P-47N-25-RE.

The P-47N gave excellent service in the Pacific in the last year of the War, particularly in escorting B-29 Superfortress bombers in raids on the Japanese mainland. P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Saipan to Japan and on many other long, overwater flights.

A total of 1667 P-47Ns was produced by the Farmingdale plant between December 1944 and December 1945, when the Thunderbolt line finally closed down. 149 more P-47Ns were built by the Evansville factory. V-J Day cancellation of 5934 Thunderbolts brought production of the type abruptly to an end.

[pellik]

ahahah, BURN

[Wotan]

It saw 'service' but it was an insignificant aircraft in WW2 and it was a completely pointless addition to AH given the current wholes in the plane set. AH could have used another Jug, just not an N.

It being free in the main only ensures its impact in AH will far out way any contribution it made in real life...

[eddiek]

P-47M was NOT designed to chase down V-1's, contrary to rumor.  First fighter group, IIRC, to receive the M's was the 56th Fighter Group.

P-47N saw plenty of action in the Pacific.  

Want a good read on the P-47 series?  Check here:

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic.html

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic2.html

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic3.html

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic4.html

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic5.html

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic6.html

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic7.html

http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/Seversky-Republic8.html

Read especially Chapters 7 and 8.....Chapter 7 tells more about the M and N models.

Not arguing with ya, Wotan, maybe it was "insignificant", but no more so than the Ta-152 series, which we received what, two years ago?  Maybe 10% as many 152's produced as even the N models?  
And before ya say it, I agree with the others....the 152 does not need to be perked.  The style of fighting that occurs in the MA is outside the envelope where the Ta152 or the P-47N would dominate.  Neither warrant a perk tag or price.

There are a lot of holes to be filled if TOD is to be accurate.....but not all the holes are in the German planeset, or the American.  The Brits have humongous holes that need to be filled to cover all the time periods, IMHO, as do the Italians and the Soviet planesets.  Those two need attention before either the LW or USAAF need another plane, but that is just my take on all of it.

[Widewing]

No P-47Ns saw combat in the ETO. Many saw combat in the PTO. The 56th received the P-47M....

Find a better source. MajorLee made some major blunders.

My regards,

Widewing

[Furball]

Originally posted by Wotan
It being free in the main only ensures its impact in AH will far out way any contribution it made in real life...

but its american

[2Hawks]

made an interesting point, which was compunded by what eddiek said about holes in the planeset.

Without the 152 or the 47N, what else is in the arena that could catch a B29?

Could it be that the 29 is being modeled and the 47N is an introduction towards that era? If thats the case I want a P-61 Black Widow!

Dan.

[Glasses]

If my mind serves me right the P-47N was used extensively in the Pacific, the M was used in a limited basis in Europe.

[Wotan]

Not arguing with ya, Wotan, maybe it was "insignificant", but no more so than the Ta-152 series, which we received what, two years ago? Maybe 10% as many 152's produced as even the N models?
And before ya say it, I agree with the others....the 152 does not need to be perked. The style of fighting that occurs in the MA is outside the envelope where the Ta152 or the P-47N would dominate. Neither warrant a perk tag or price.

Who cares about the 152? Its perked and even if it ever gets 'unperked' (not that I care if it gets unperked, I mean after all if they unperk a plane as rare as the 152 then whats the perk system for in the first place?). I don't see it getting that much usage over time. Its as insignificant in the main as it was in rl...

It could be stripped from the plane set tomorrow and all but a handful would actually care... I wouldn't blink twice over it...

At this point it doesn't really matter about the holes in the RAF / VVS / JPN / I-tie plane set as those holes are so great they are out of reach in the near term.

AH could have used a new P-47 just not an insignificant late model like the N that for the most part can't even be used in ToD. Even once the plane set is full enough for a late war PAC its better speed and range over the other P-47s won't really mean that much. All late war US planes are much faster the JPN planes. I doubt the missions in ToD will require a plane with the range of the P-47N as well (no one lies to be bored).

Its just another late war Ami kEwL-bOi plane. I have nothing against the P-47, its great plane and I am sure a lot folks will have a great time playing with it. That doesn't change its insignificance.

With the P-38G and a P-47C or earlier D thats all that was needed for early mid '43 Ami/LW WETO. The LW planes are already there. After all WETO is the only theater that can be pulled off in ToD. Unless ToD is even further out then I think the holes in the plane set are so large that ToD will be very limited it what it can pull off.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by 2Hawks
Without the 152 or the 47N, what else is in the arena that could catch a B29?

Me163
Me262
Bf109G-10
Bf109G-6
Bf109G-2
Bf109F-4
Fw190D-9
Fw190A-8
Fw190F-8
Fw190A-5
F4U-1
F4U-1D
F4U-1C
F4U-4
F6F-5
P-51D
P-51B
P-47D-40
P-47D-25
P-47D-11
P-38L
P-38J
P-38G
Tempest Mk V
Typhoon Mk Ib
Spitfire Mk XIV
Spitfire Mk IX
Ki-84-Ia
La-7
La-5FN
Yak-9U


Some of those would have trouble, some would do it just fine, but all of them could catch the B-29.

[ramzey]

here is no reason to complain about p47N
its done, canot be undone

move along, nothing to  see here

[rshubert]

why anybody complains about additions to the planeset.  Every time HTC adds one, somebody gets all pissy.  Whatever for?  Expand your horizons, Wotan!  Try something that doesn't have a swastika on the tail!  See what the other side has to offer!

[Wotan]

Stating that 'the P-47N' was an insignificant aircraft in WW2' isn't 'complaining about a new aircraft'.

Nor is saying that the P-47N was 'pointless addition to AH in regards to ToD'.

Those are called facts and if you want to dispute them then we can have that conversation.

As I said AH could have used a new P-47, I suggested a C or early D long before there was talk of a new Jug. Same with the P-38s. I made many a suggestion for new non-German planes as a priority over the years and especially since ToD was announced. Planes I will never ever chose to sit in even offline.

I have zero interest in 'Ami hero planes'. The arenas are full of them. That said I have plenty of game time in non-German aircraft. Not only in AH but in many other games as well.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Wotan
As I said AH could have used a new P-47, I suggested a C or early D long before there was talk of a new Jug. Same with the P-38s.  

Ok, can anyone point to a significant performance difference between the P-47C-5 and a P-47D-11?

I'll save you the trouble of trying to find out... There isn't any concrete difference.

Virtually every C-2 and C-5 was upgraded to include additional cowl flaps, water injection and the "bulged keel" plumbed for a single belly tank, bringing them up the revision level of D-10s and D-11s just arriving in theater.

It's easy enough to skin the D-11 as a C model.  Can anyone tell a C-5 from a D-5, from a D-11 without a serial number... Only an expert could, and he would be hard pressed to make that determination.

We don't need an older Jug, the D-11 is little changed from an upgraded C-5. If anything, we could have used a D-22 or D-23 to fill the gap between mid '43 thru spring of '44. These were fitted with under-wing pylons for drop tanks or ordnance, the D-11 is not. They also were built with the C-W (-23) or HS (-22) paddle blade props. Either of these will actually have a use in TOD.

Again, just re-skin the D-11 as a P-47C-5 and you'll be 99.99% accurate.

Also, the Bf 109s and Spitfires are next for updating. I'm confident that at least one new version of each will appear with the next major update. I'll wager we see the 109G-14 and the Spit LF Mk.IX added.

My regards,

Widewing