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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2005, 02:06:35 PM »
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If spit LF 16 (with +18 merlin 266) is not fitted witth bubble canopy then spit LF 16 is just a spit LF 8 with an american built engine.

Imo bubble top should be added for spit just like what N.A. did to upgrade P-51B to P-51D mustangs.

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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2005, 02:18:15 PM »
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If spit LF 16 (with +18 merlin 266) is not fitted witth bubble canopy then spit LF 16 is just a spit LF 8 with an american built engine

Not exactly.

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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2005, 02:59:55 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2005, 03:03:15 PM »
Can anyone guess how LF spits will do in fites. Will it be a TnB-er or BnZ/Knife fighter?

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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2005, 03:04:44 PM »
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If spit LF 16 (with +18 merlin 266) is not fitted witth bubble canopy then spit LF 16 is just a spit LF 8 with an american built engine.

Imo bubble top should be added for spit just like what N.A. did to upgrade P-51B to P-51D mustangs.



Not quite, the LF XVI was basically a LF IX with an American built Merlin 66.

Mk 8 had other differences, retractible tailwheel being one.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2005, 04:21:43 PM »
Looks like a decent list. However, as I pointed out previously having a single Spit V (in this case a b @12lbs max) isn't 'fair' to the RAF fans.

Currently there is no LW plane to match match that time frame. There is no E-7 (DB601N), there's no F-2 or FW 190A-2.

If the Spit Vb that AH currently has was brought up to a true Spit Vc, and keeps the 16lbs boost, I think that would be more fair. Then if in the future (or even now) a Spit Vb @ 12 lbs could be added.

Just my 2 cents...

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2005, 04:55:11 PM »
Wotan,

I agree, but as StarOfAfrica2's post indicates there are many that think even one addtional Spit is too many and that what we have now is fine.  The one or two more that Pyro plans on adding isn't going to make them happy, let alone the idea of seeing multiple Mk Vs.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2005, 05:35:20 PM »
The Spitfire whiners will whine about whatever Spit they are fighting.

There can never be 'too many variants'. That's just silly. There needs to be as many variants as necessary to make ToD viable through out the war years.

The Spit V with 12lbs boost was in service in Feb '41 (Mason) and in July/August '42 @ 16lbs boost.

The F-4 entered service in June '41 (it was fully deployed by July '41).

The Spit V @ 12lbs had 6 months with out an F-4 then about a year facing it.

The easy thing to do I guess would be just to drop the 16lbs Spit V but I would hope that HTC look at the possibility of doing both. I am not sure how much differences there would be in the physical model but IIRC they are close enough that one, different skins would work.

As for the Spit Mk1a there's no question that it should run at 12lbs (100 octane). Its silly to make claims like 'just because I think...' with out any supporting evidence. The evidence is pretty clear that the Spit 1 could run at 12lbs boost as of March 1940 and fitted with CP props by Aug...

Spit LF XVI @ 25lbs boost would surprise me. This would make its 'usefulness' in ToD and in events very limited.

Spit I - 12lbs
Spit Vb - 12lbs
Spit Vc - 16lbs
Spit F.IX - no more Hybrid
Spit LF.VIII - great choice
Spit F.XIV - I never thought the 14 was all it was hyped up to be. Maybe 21lbs will change that.
Spit LF.XVI - 18 lbs would be the best choice
« Last Edit: August 02, 2005, 05:38:42 PM by Wotan »

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2005, 05:41:11 PM »
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The Spitfire whiners will whine about whatever Spit they are fighting.

There can never be 'too many variants'. That's just silly. There needs to be as many variants as necessary to make ToD viable through out the war years.

The Spit V with 12lbs boost was in service in Feb '41 (Mason) and in July/August '42 @ 16lbs boost.

The F-4 entered service in June '41 (it was fully deployed by July '41).

The Spit V @ 12lbs had 6 months with out an F-4 then about a year facing it.

The easy thing to do I guess would be just to drop the 16lbs Spit V but I would hope that HTC look at the possibility of doing both. I am not sure how much differences there would be in the physical model but IIRC they are close enough that one, different skins would work.

As for the Spit Mk1a there's no question that it should run at 12lbs (100 octane). Its silly to make claims like 'just because I think...' with out any supporting evidence. The evidence is pretty clear that the Spit 1 could run at 12lbs boost as of March 1940 and fitted with CP props by Aug...

Spit LF XVI @ 25lbs boost would surprise me. This would make its 'usefulness' in ToD and in events very limited.

Spit I - 12lbs
Spit Vb - 12lbs
Spit Vc - 16lbs
Spit F.IX - no more Hybrid
Spit LF.VIII - great choice
Spit F.XIV - I never thought the 14 was all it was hyped up to be. Maybe 21lbs will change that.
Spit LF.XVI - 18 lbs would be the best choice


There will be no Mk Vc, just a 12lbs boost Mk Vb.
For scenarios the new Seafire III with 18 lbs boost will stand in for the Vc.

The MkXVI at 18lbs will be for a trial period, if it doesn't work out it will go to 25lbs. The only advantage it has over the top 3 or 4 speed demons at 25lbs is its climb rate, 0-10k in under 2 mins.
It would still be slower OTD than the G10, D9, La7 and Pony, Pyro is just conscerned about it phenominal climb rate (5700fpm up to 10k).
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2005, 05:41:48 PM »
By God, I'll drink to that.

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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2005, 06:19:22 PM »
Somebody in one of these forum threads somewhere mentioned that the Seafire III is more like a spit9 than a spit5. Is this accurate? Where would it fit, performance wise? Between Vc and F.IX?

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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2005, 06:44:52 PM »
Maybe both the MkV variants can be kept by fiddling the ENY value just a bit and offering 2 skins or more.
I mean, we already have the graphic model. Just needs a wee of performance programming.

Same goes with the 109 F's and basically E's

Right?
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2005, 07:11:44 PM »
Wouldn't a Seafire L MkIII with a Merlin 55M @  1.585 hp would surpass a Vc @ 16lbs boost? Are they doing an F or L MK III?

I guess either would do as long as the ToD gods and scenarios CMs remember that it saw service no earlier then June (June '42 for the F MKIII, Merlin 55 1,470 hp) / July (July '42 for the L MKIII, Merlin 55M 1.585 hp).

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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2005, 07:11:53 PM »
spit LF 16 with 18lbs boost is a safe choice.

People would cry en masse if +25 is modeled ( for ex: either "pork" it or "perk" it like La-7). Spit LF 16 climbrate with +25 boost is comparable to that of the MiG-15 jet fighter.

BTW is tehre any news on 109s?;)
« Last Edit: August 02, 2005, 08:34:42 PM by 1K3 »

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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2005, 07:37:05 PM »
Spit XVI...gotta read up about it :)
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)