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Offline FalconSix

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« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2005, 07:10:26 PM »
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once upon a time a mighty empire used trade embargos and blockades to enforce it's diplomatic edicts.

worked, too... because they actually seized or sank ships and cargoes that were attempting to break the blockade.

these days the UN declares santions, everybody ignores them, there's no enforcement.

should there be a 'zero tolerance' blockade.. i.e. rail lines taken down, trans-border oil pipelines smashed, ports mined, border road crossings mercilessly bombed when anything larger than a pedistrian appears at them...

a rigorus, complete and utter shutdown of a nations foriegn trade and ties with the outside world severed.. the nations external assets seized (not 'frozen'-- SEIZED), it's international banking stopped..

one wonders.


Blockade Iran? Are you INSANE? Do you want to pay $50 a gallon?

Not even Ronnie Ray-Gun wanted that!
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« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2005, 08:03:00 PM »
Yes, I wonder how loud the advocates of military action against Iran will be shouting when they can't afford to fill their cars up?

Iran is one of the major oil producers, removing it's oil from the world market will push up prices, but not by a huge amount.

However, any action against Iran will cause an increase in attacks in Iraq, likely reducing it's oil exports. It will cause instability in the market, and push prices up, and if Iran retaliates by attacking shipping in the Gulf, or with attacks on oil facilities in the Gulf, the price of oil could easily hit $150 a barrel. And the effect of oil at that price on western economies wouldn't be pretty.
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« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2005, 08:28:34 PM »
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EU calls for emergency Iran talks

this doesn't look good  :(


What will the EU do? Write em a nasty letter? Oh I forgot, Thats the UN's job
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« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2005, 03:03:59 AM »
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« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2005, 03:05:12 AM »
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« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2005, 06:04:58 AM »
Do you understand the concpet of a "market"?

Iran produces over 4 million barrels a day, just over 5% of world oil production. (Exports are lower because Iran is quite a heavy user, too)

Take Iran's oil out of the world market and you have the same number of people chasing less oil, which will drive up prices.

Imagine a case where Iran exports all it's oil to Japan. If the Japanese can't get Iranian oil suddenly do you think they will just do without? Or do you think they'll go to the market and buy oil elsewhere? And do you think countries that currently supply oil to the US will do so at the same prices when they can get more by selling the oil to someone else?

Oil is a commodity. Reduce supply to the market and everybody has to pay an increased price.
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« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2005, 07:34:31 AM »
lets see.. hmm.. increased oil prices vs the cost of a full blown iranian war now, (with increased oil prices) or a nuclear present from them later. (with increased oil prices)

or we can do diddly, (and the price of oil goes up anyway)

hmmm..

gee, tough decision.
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« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2005, 07:45:48 AM »
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« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2005, 06:15:34 PM »
Jackal1 reading your ususual diatribe I'd say its you whos been duped mate not me.  Iraq a hotbed of terrorist training camps!? WMDs!? :rofl :rofl Boy are you mr gullible!

Listen pal If I said the US flag was the stars and stripes you'd say I was wrong, stupid, anti American.Basicaly  whatever I say you will take issue with. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2005, 07:48:31 PM »
Raider179, I guess your future opinions will not matter.
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« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2005, 08:26:07 PM »
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Jackal1 reading your ususual diatribe I'd say its you whos been duped mate not me.  Iraq a hotbed of terrorist training camps!? WMDs!? :rofl :rofl Boy are you mr gullible!

Listen pal If I said the US flag was the stars and stripes you'd say I was wrong, stupid, anti American.Basicaly  whatever I say you will take issue with. :rolleyes:


  No worry of you ever being accused of being American bud. You couldn`t cut the mustard. Relax.
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« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2005, 12:35:38 AM »
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Raider179, I guess your future opinions will not matter.


Yeah, Hope you got read my post before they got edited. You might actually learn something. But if you can prove I was wrong on ANYTHING I have posted, by all means feel free. I express my opinion and I back it up with facts, where are yours?
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« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2005, 12:36:48 AM »
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Do you understand the concpet of a "market"?

Iran produces over 4 million barrels a day, just over 5% of world oil production. (Exports are lower because Iran is quite a heavy user, too)

Take Iran's oil out of the world market and you have the same number of people chasing less oil, which will drive up prices.

Imagine a case where Iran exports all it's oil to Japan. If the Japanese can't get Iranian oil suddenly do you think they will just do without? Or do you think they'll go to the market and buy oil elsewhere? And do you think countries that currently supply oil to the US will do so at the same prices when they can get more by selling the oil to someone else?

Oil is a commodity. Reduce supply to the market and everybody has to pay an increased price.


Explain to me how exactly Iran is gonna take its oil off the market? They will just sell to someone else and hence it will not affect worldwide supply and demand.
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« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2005, 02:01:25 AM »
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