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Offline TheThang

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« on: August 02, 2005, 11:52:16 PM »
Exactly how dramatic is the performance drop from the g2 to the g6?

Offline Keiler

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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2005, 04:04:12 AM »
G6 has noticably lower speeds at all altitudes IIRC, climb doesnt seem too much affected.
Also the G6 feels a bit more sluggish or "heavy".

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2005, 05:14:29 AM »
G6 heavier, thus turns worse.

Here are the charts from the HTC webpage.





And G6





Climb rate difference at the deck is about 100ft per minute with WEP.

Speed is about 5-10mph at the most. Not that great difference but of course the G2 is the better plane in terms of performance, and those extra mph may very well make a difference, specially when combined with the better maneuverabilty of the G2.

The G6 has got better armament though thanks to the 13mm and possibility for the 30mm if one can aim with it.

Taking gondolas will up both planes armament to quite similair and pack a good punch but will make the plane sluggish IMO.

Granted most people fly the 109's, specielly F4 and G2 with Gondolas.
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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2005, 01:47:49 PM »
I rarely fly with gondies on, as it makes any attempt at tight turns.. well let's say "tight for a 109" turns that much harder. I'm guessing that the G-6 has a more powerful engine, and may have been designed for better high alt performance (not that it turned out that way....). But the main difference is the weapons package. The spud tosser is a powerful gun. The 13mms are approximately the same as 50cals, and can do a lot of damage. I got 2 13mm-only kills in a G-6 in one sortie (yes, I HAD 30mm ammo, but I didn't have the good shot, so I just fired my MGs lol and it worked 2x in a row). I think the WEP is slightly improved in the G-6 as well... It just seems like it has more of a boost than the WEP in the G-2 (from the feel of it), but the plane is more sluggish, so it turns worse. It's still a threat, but I find the G-2 to be more of a threat because it can turn slightly better.

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2005, 02:02:55 PM »
Wilbus has it right, the G2 is the higher performance package, the G6 is the higher firepower package.  The G2 actually is "better" in almost every performance aspect over the G6, being lighter, it turns, acclerates, climb, etc better and has slightly higher top speed (3-6mph at most alts).  Depends on what you are looking for but in general if you are looking for more firepower I think most people skip the G6 and head straight to G10.

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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2005, 02:38:33 PM »
ill just stick with my fw a5 =D

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2005, 06:13:18 PM »
Well i just go for the g6 cause im a tator tard.

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2005, 07:35:35 AM »
Looking at a glance;

* over 6k alt the Bf109G-6 on WEP, is about the same in speed, as the Bf109G-2 on military power(100% throttle, no WEP).

* the climbrate and acceleration is roughly the same.

* maneuverability, at least in terms of turn circle, is (contrary to popular belief), is also same. According to my testings;


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Turn time, turn speed, and turn radius.
-first figure is for normal flight,
-second figure for 1 notch of flaps,
-third figure for full flaps
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Bf109G-2 (1.0/1.2/1.2)
- 17 seconds (167mph), 202.1m
- 18 seconds (160mph), 205.0m
- 17 seconds (148mph), 179.0m


Bf109G-6 (1.0/1.2/1.2)
MG151/20
- 18 seconds (163mph), 208.8m
- 18 seconds (160mph), 204.9m
- 18 seconds (134mph), 171.6m
MK108
- 18 seconds (168mph), 215.2m
- 19 seconds (158mph), 213.6m
- 18 seconds (137mph), 175.5m


 However, it is possible the Bf109G-6 might feel a little bit 'heavier' when maneuvering with MK108 30mms on board.

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 Therefore, it basically comes down to individual preference.

 In the MA, IMO "350mph at deck" is roughly the "lowest point" to consider a plane really powerful and competitive. When a plane can do over 350mph, preferably over 360, it can afford to fight enemy planes aggressively at low altitudes, but still can manage to escape with a bit of SA when things get hairy.

 The P-38L and the Ki-84-Ia manages 344mph at deck, and these two are the "last in line" for "MA-competitive" fighters, being able to duke it out in aggressive combat, but still enough to outrun most enemy planes... and perhaps escape to safety  with good timing. (although both will never outrun the real speedsters..)

 The Bf109G-2 and G-6, unfortunately, is little bit slower than those two planes. While it is capable in the hands of a good pilot, and will be able to fight any plane at almost equal terms, still the lacking speed performance will often limit the pilot to fly with a minimum "safety margin" in mind. It can't really commit to a fight when there are multiple enemies nearby.

 So naturally, be it Bf109G-2 or G-6, both will be caught by faster enemy planes pretty easily if it loses an important alt advantage. The Bf109G-2 is faster than the G-6, but in the MA that difference isn't by much.

 Therefore, at least in my case, I will prefer the G-6 over the G-2.

 In these 109s, against the MA competition, there is no choice but to keep flying SA-wise all the way through the sortie, and the small performance advantage of the G-2 isn't really up to much.

 So, naturally, for me, the firepower comes first - one pass, one shot kill with the 30mms; this is much more important for me than being 6~8mph faster, or little bit lighter maneuvering.

 Even if you are in a G-2, you won't be able to outrun the D-9s, G-10s, P-51s, Typhs and etc... even if in a G-2, you won't be able to outtrun Spitfires. However, if you are in a G-6, little bit slower but quite simular characteristics, unlike the G-2 the G-6 CAN kill an enemy plane with one good shot.

 For instance, you may be able to duke it out with an La-7 in a G-2 or a G-6.. but however, in a G-2 you may land some shots on the enemy plane but it will not go down. But in the G-6, that one shot, when connected right, will kill him on the spot.


 So I prefer the G-6 with 30mms.

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 05:50:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Looking at a glance;
 The Bf109G-2 and G-6, unfortunately, is little bit slower than those two planes. While it is capable in the hands of a good pilot, and will be able to fight any plane at almost equal terms, still the lacking speed performance will often limit the pilot to fly with a minimum "safety margin" in mind. It can't really commit to a fight when there are multiple enemies nearby.


In the MA Sunday evening, some fellow stated that he had outrun a P-38 on the deck with a G-2 carrying gondolas. I stated that it was either a P-38G, or the P-38 didn't bother to chase as the P-38J or L is faster on the deck. That caused someone to state that I was incorrect.

The facts are these, on the deck, max speed. P-38s 50% gas, G-2 at 75% gas.

P-38G: 327 mph
109G-2: 331 mph in WEP (w/gondolas)
P-38J/L: 344 mph in WEP
P-51B: 358 mph in WEP

When the G-2 runs out of WEP, its speed drops to 317 mph. In a prolonged chase, the P-38G should chase it down. Indeed, the P-38J/L will chase it down without using WEP.

As to the 109G-6, it is several mph slower on the deck than the G-2, both with and without WEP. You had better fly the 109G-10 if you need to outrun anyone on the deck.

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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 06:07:53 PM »
If the G2 started to run with a higher E state, then it can out run a p38. The p38 might have blown some speed while manuvering to follow the 109, and thus been slower.


The G2 will outrun the 38 as long as it has wep, going by your numbers, but it has 15 minutes of WEP. It would run out of gas before it ran outta WEP :P

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2005, 03:50:08 AM »
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If the G2 started to run with a higher E state, then it can out run a p38. The p38 might have blown some speed while manuvering to follow the 109, and thus been slower.


The G2 will outrun the 38 as long as it has wep, going by your numbers, but it has 15 minutes of WEP. It would run out of gas before it ran outta WEP :P


Well as Widewing said, either it was a P38G or the P38 didn't bother chasing the 109 for very long at all.

It's not 15 minutes of WEP, it's 10 minutes contineus.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2005, 06:48:47 AM »
Might also be the P38 didnt want to run into enemy teritorry.

I prefer the G2, the skins look better. When i die i at least want to look good.

BTW your turnrate measures show a little advantage to the G2, using no flaps and 167mph for turning. And to me it feels like its easier to hold a G2 on the edge than its to hold a G6.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2005, 03:11:49 PM »
Although I love the G-2 and its cool skins, I agree with Kweassa the 30mm gun package is spectacularly good.  I enter an engagement with the only purpose to get one or two shots at D200 or less.  The 30mm will end the fight with only a single hit, two hits are tremendously satisfying.  It goes something like this Bang...Bang...Kaboom!!  Brings a smile to my face every time.  :aok

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2005, 03:31:52 PM »
Personally i think the g6 has the coolest skin in the game. The blue on with light blue squiggles

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2005, 08:03:14 PM »
Thang, you're such a bling tard :rofl
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