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« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2001, 10:05:00 PM »
You all are so good at making lists!!! <S>

Now just what do you think we should do about these problems???  I have as yet to get an answer to this question!!!!!

Sea cows and manatees are the same thing.  I have been in the water with them at Crystal River Fl  They are very gentle mammals

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« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2001, 11:43:00 PM »
Destroying the Earth, huh?  We may or may not be on the road to killing off various species of plants and animals and damaging the ozone layer and polluting the water and killing ourselves, but that's a far cry from actually destroying the Earth.  The Earth seems to have done pretty well for itself through all the time since it's formation, even through some real bad toejam, and yet it's still here, alive as ever.  If we're really going to focus on the true destruction of the Earth, we should all roll up our sleeves and put our best efforts into it, 'cause it ain't gonna be easy!


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« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2001, 12:57:00 AM »
killing the earth? naw wont happen, we will kill ourselves off way before that if global warming is real-

i think when global warming gets obvious we will start dealing with it. it is highly supported but could easily be attributed to natural causes as well so its hard to say.

at any rate the sun will engulf us within about 5 billion years. it isn't big enough to do anything spectacular like supernova which is even more of a bummer meaning this planet's death will be pretty unspectacular.

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« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2001, 08:31:00 AM »
SOB - it is taken as read that 'Destroying the Earth' = 'making the Earth uninhabitable for a large global human population'

BTW, if it weren't for environmental scientists, we'd be filling the seas with more toejam than we do now. It has been proven beyond any doubt that effluents from industries such as steel-making, mining and smelting of any kind DOES kill the environment. I really can't see how you can refute that.

It's all about accountability - I know you conservatives are big on that, but it seems you are 'all mouth and no trousers' (to use an English colloquialism).  

Predictably, it would seem many Americans want to follow the old 'everyone's against us' argument and bury your head in the sand. As usual, that argument falls apart. Britain is introducing something called the Climate Change Levy, which will tax industry which pollutes the environment over standards agreed in the Kiyoto accord.

Needless to say, we our on target to meet the Kiyoto targets. We seem to be able to keep to deals we make.

The ironic thing in all this is that it was George Bush Sr. who was a big champion of environmental protection, and a Republican. His son wants to do the dishonourable thing and run away from his country's committments - how very commendable.  

But maybe we are being too hard on Little Bush? It was surely his programmers...er... advisors that came up with the policy after all? It really makes me wonder how you voted him in... but then wait a minute... you didn't.  


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« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2001, 09:47:00 AM »
 
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« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2001, 10:22:00 AM »
That is funny!!!  LOL!!!  "Winner of the popular vote" heheee LOL.  Big time loser to the most bumbling, incompetent person to ever come down the pike!!(Lib interpretation)
You just have to love the Libs in the press always grasping at straws    

How come none of you environmentalists will answer my question??  What are we to do about global warming??  Am waiting patiently for an answer.  I don't think you have an answer, do ya?

I still want to try shutting down Europe.  There are no guns there so crime won't happen when the lights go out!!  You all in Europe have nothing but love and peace for each other and would be willing to try this experiment, right?

Am trying to get you all down to where the rubber meets the road.  Just what do you propose that the world do, and by the world I mean everyone,about the sky falling,er I mean, global warming.

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« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2001, 10:39:00 AM »
WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY THE EARTH.

What a crock of toejam!

We have the power to destroy mankind, not the earth itself, the earth is much to vast for an insignificant species of animal <man> to destroy.

The earth will remain long after we're gone - and another species would take our place at the top of the heap.

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« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »
Imagine this scene:
You're sitting in a old car in your garage, engine ('64 413cid) is running, you cant stop it and you can't escape. In that situation would you like to have a new 100cid with unleaded fuel and catalysator under your hood?
At least you could live 10 mins more hoping someone to came and shut down engine.
Naah, Whatta hell. Just put the pedal to the medal and enjoy the last minutes of your life. Genetic pool etc...


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« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2001, 11:15:00 AM »
I think its funny that a set of nations that have been deforesting, polluting, and mining Europe for many many centuries, believe they have a right to complain about, judge, or demand anything, from any nation that is still developing it's infrastructure and resources.

Confirmation bias.    



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« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2001, 11:41:00 AM »
Jihad, as you wipe the spittel from your monitor, refer to my last post on the definition of the 'destruction of the Earth'. Thanks.

1776, we reduce emissions - it is that simple. Europe is doing/has done it - why not the US?

 
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I think its funny that a set of [European] nations believe they have a right to complain about, judge, or demand anything from any nation that is still developing it's infrastructure and resources.

Perhaps you should check your sources: developing countries have concessions on emissions under Kiyoto.

Or are you saying the US is still a developing nation? Really? I find that funny.



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« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2001, 12:38:00 PM »
Dowding, be much more specific, please.  Ya, I know you no long burn coal to heat your homes, but other then that, what?  I know manufacturing is way down in England as I see hardly any products made in England in the US.  Most are made in China.  Are they reducing their emissions, my guess is no.

Come on the sky is falling and your answers are coming up real short.  Just reducing emissions just makes Global warming come on slowly, right??!!  What is the resolution!!???~!!!

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« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2001, 12:51:00 PM »
What, you expect me to print the abstracts from several thousand scientific papers here? I'm sorry, I don't really have the time.

Reducing emissions is not just about global warming - there are other issues tied in with it, such as acid rain and the scarcity of fossil fuels.

Lastly, many people have mentioned that volcanoes produce tons of green house gasses. True. What is a little bogus is the following assumption that emissions from mankind's industries have no effect, or are a 'drop in the ocean'. Who said that global warming is a proportional cause and effect phenomenon? The Earth is very finely balanced (as is life as we know it, Jim  ) - the slightest change can and has had major effects on the climate of the Earth.
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« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2001, 02:24:00 PM »
Still no specifics on how to stop global warming, just as I suspected!!

Still all I get is chicken little, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling",Geez!!

Admit it, global warming is a tool of leftist to control economies and people, nothing more, nothing less.  Period.  The home of leftists is environmentalism.  BAH, what they would have you to do is create utter foolishness.  All this science you allude to is also suspicious.  I am sure their opinions have been contradicted more then once.

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« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2001, 08:27:00 PM »
1776, one thing to remember in a debate is to not involve any forms of faith or emotion in your argument.  You must keep a neutral base and use only facts to win.  i'm not tellnig you how to argue.. well yeah i am, but you'll never get anywhere by pointing fingers and being obstinate (sp?).  Ya gotta give a little to get a little.

And another thing to everyone, please don't go around blaming an individual's country for something that was out of our control in the present day (ie death camps).  Its not good to constantly live in the past, occasionally it is, but not all the time.

I am a US citizen and I know that America has faults, but so do other countries.  No one is perfect and we dont need to spend our energy pointing fingers.  If a problem exists today, we dont solve anything by blaming others, we have to deal with it as it stands.  

I could go on for hours stating facts and my opinions, but the Duke/Maryland game is on  .
 
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« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2001, 09:27:00 PM »
Y'know, I just thought I'd point something out here, that every person calling other people "Leftists", "Environmental Weirdos", "Socialists", and everything else seems to be missing entirely.

Any time a new technology is brought online, it must be designed, produced, marketed, and sold.

If we go to electric cars, plants will produce them, people will have jobs, engineers will be working night and day, electric "filling" stations will pop up, etc.

Just because a business becomes more "environmentally friendly" doesn't mean they say goodbye to profits.  I mean really, wake up people.

If higher efficiency furnaces and air-conditioners become regulation, they have to be built and sold.

Higher R-factor insulation has spawned lots of new technology in the insulation business.

Folks, remember, just because it's environmentally sound, doesn't mean you can't make a buck off of it.  It just means you have to "think outside the box", and a lot of times, that seems to be too much for people who would rather sit around reading the Wall Street Journal, and trying to maintain the status quo.

Society always has been, and will always continue to be, a dynamic process.

I've seen a hell of a lot of regulation in my life so far, in lots of different fields, and there always seems to be a bunch of rich capitalists around who adapt very nicely, and make a ton of money off of the new way of thinking.

Well, I won't go on and on like I usually do.  Just remember, being environmentally friendly can make you a hell of a lot of money.  It doesn't mean you resign yourself, and are forcing others, to live dressed in rags in a tent in the woods.  

Let's stop acting silly about all this, and figure out how to use the new consciousness to make some damn money.  That, my friends, is the TRUE "American Way."

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