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Offline Sparks

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« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2005, 03:02:10 AM »
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I agree Illegal immigration is not realy desirable.


Not really desirable  ???? whoa don't go over the top there. Is that like someone breaking into your "bahaving in a fairly poor way" ???  For cris sake these people are STEALING from us - all of us.

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English is a development of immigrant tongues. An amalgam of Latin, Anglo Saxon, and French plus a smattering of Germanic languages.


So lets just look at this previous "immigration" which you look at so benevolently: -
Latin, ah yes the romans - well they invaded us and masacred thousands fighting Boudica. Then spent 400 years here during which time parts of Latin merged with ours.
Saxon, the sweet Germans from Saxony who .... yes invaded us and who again over hundreds of years gave us some language.
And those nice French who again in 1066 ....... invaded us and killed the English king - how multicutural of them.
Notice how at each juncture we did actaully fight them and notice too how in the 1800's , 1918 and 1945 we actaully won similar fights against other attempts at "multicultural merging"

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Its just a bit daft to fear immigration and loss of identity.


Why do you insist on labeling it as fear to object to a loss of identity ???

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This nation was built on and improved by successive generations of immigration over centuries.


Ah a true statement - but notice that previous generations integrated into British society of the time. As recent as the 70's the imigrant populations were distributed widely within the general population, my grandparents neighbours on one side were polish and on the other Italian. Al considered Britain their home.

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Take the long view and a few Moslems and others with brown faces doesn't seem so scary.

You seem to subscribe to  the paradigm that this is linked to skin colour and religion - you wish to push the race card that this is about hatred of people of other religions and colour. That is actually being more racist than me.  Let me be clear - an immigrant is any non national from any country who wishes to reside in another country.  This issue is not about being an immigrant - it's about whether an immigrant brings his home with them or leaves it behind and takes on their new country as their own.

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We've had centuries of Immigration and are pretty good at keeping our society going and seem tio have a fairly clear identity.


We do ?? define it please - the identity of the UK in 2005 ....

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Give it longer and it;'ll all turn out OK I'm sure.


and if it doesn't I'm sure someone else will come and clear the mess up for you because after all it won't have been your fault ....

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« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2005, 03:08:42 AM »
:rolleyes:

Well considering the violence of these previous immigrants then, maybe the current wave are quite nice! I mean they're only speaking in funny foreign voices, wearing different clothes, worshiping a different nonsense and improving our diet! What a begnign and freindly lot! ;)

Oh and remember, in recent years its British Citizens from NI that have been killing and blowing up people here. Not funny foreigners or their kids,  from dark and dangerous lands!

Honestly I feel much better about immigration now. Thanks Sparks!

Oh yeah our national character/identity.

A country with a rich history, continuous monarchy, Parlimentary Democracy, relatively tolerant, easy going, welcoming. A nation of traders, gardeners, eccentrics. Good at innovating, stubborn, proud and  not prone to hysterical displays of emotion or fervour or extremes.  I think we are still that, and actualy thats why people want to come here. If they didn't thebn I'd begin to worry!
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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2005, 04:15:46 AM »
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A country with a rich history, continuous monarchy, Parlimentary Democracy, relatively tolerant, easy going, welcoming.

Standard stuff I'd go along with.

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A nation of traders,
traders !! thats a good one - a ntion of bankers and insurance companies more like - we don't make anything any more.

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gardeners,
well you can scratch that as the years go by - take a drive down any non-euro neighbourhood and count the number of tidy lawns and flowers.

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eccentrics.
Eccentricity is a national identity - oh good.

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Good at innovating,
Really ?? thats why our car industry has died ? Why our aircraft industry is dependant on license production deals and joint ventures ?, why the initial prime contractor for our new aircraft carriers was a French company until the government stepped in. ? Why universities are finding it hard to enrol physics and engineering students ??

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stubborn,
or do you mean fearful of change ??

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proud
proud of what ??

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and not prone to hysterical displays of emotion or fervour or extremes.
like the stately conservatism of Princess Dianas funeral ??

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I think we are still that,
Then I'm afraid you are living in a London postcard fantasy.

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and actualy thats why people want to come here.
So they jump on moving trains in France and hide in containers to be an eccentric shopkeeper and have a garden ?? or maybe the free health care and benefits have something to do with it ? or maybe the easy black market working ? or maybe the free housing ??

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If they didn't thebn I'd begin to worry!
maybe , just maybe you should be worrying.

Tell me, if laws were passed that allowed businesses owned by Moslems to be run under Islamic law, i.e. non equality of women etc,  would you be happy ?? If arranged marriage against the will of the woman was made legal would you be ok with that ??

Are you happy with cash from imigrant owned businesses being sent out of the country ??

All of the things such as democracy and tolerance are just those things that are under threat here and you suggest that we should just sit back and let change happen as we can't stop it. Have you ever lived in or visited one of the countries from which the majority of these immigrants are coming from  for an extended period outside a holiday resort ??

Just one more example of how other countries as liberal as us are seeing a threat.  Holland accepted many Somalis as refugees. The dutch benefits system is as good as ours and the Netherlands is a liberal and free country.  However the dutch had a requirement that allocated which districts new arrivals could live in in order to spread them around and encourage integration. These Somalis - so grateful to get out of their war torn country were, however, not that grateful and wishing to continue their own ways in their own community but in a safer country and not integrate left Holland and went to ....... Britain. Specifically 2-3000 of them and specifically to one or two streets in Liecester - now virtual no go areas.  These people do not want to integrate - they want their own countries culture with the western culture benefits.  I think your own signature says with rights come responsibilites ....... well those benefits have not arisen in the cultures and countries they left - thats why they left.  The right to the benefits requires the responsibilty to continue the culture that makes them possible.

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« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2005, 04:19:43 AM »
Sparks. I think you'd best move, this country is obviously getting you down.

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« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2005, 07:50:35 AM »
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To me America is apple pie, football, mom, and John Wayne. Any color can fit into that. Its the culture that disrupts it. I love it when I see an oriental or indian saying .."Ah geez Beav". It means its working.


Actually, cultures do not disrupt America, ones culture can co-exist peacefully as long as you don't force it down anyones throat via politics or maliciously manipulating the first amendment.

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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2005, 08:26:29 AM »
geeze sparks.... I think you are gonna make him cry...  And people say that  I am mean to him!

Fantasy england asside..... you are not integraded or multicultural...  The brits have adopted cute little names for every culture they have ever met (and subdgegated).

You don't have any idea of what the U.S. is like with our huge influx of illegals and the strain on our infrastructure... People in the U.S. are more welcoming and tolerant than any other nation on earth.   But..

Multiculturalism should be reserved for parades and resteraunts and parties... documents should be only printed in english or... one language... pick one, and make everyone learn it.  If you want a translation of a document... pay a company to make one for you.  Or... better yet... learn english.  

You want to be here?  do it by the rules.  You want to hire mexicans?  Do it by the rules or go to prison... first offense... mandatory jail time and a fine equal to the average wage of a U.S. citizen for a year for each illegal hired.

I think that the reason that brit politics and socialism bother me so much is because in your decay I see the roots of ours happening.

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« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2005, 08:57:41 AM »
Urm boo hoo ;) My rear end! :lol :lol

Maybe one day I'll get scared of change like you guys too. Till them I'm just fine cheers.

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« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2005, 09:07:46 AM »
change would be to pass a law banning motorcycles... would you be afraid of 'change" in that respect?

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« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2005, 09:09:20 AM »
:rofl Not biting mate. Had my dinner ta!:D

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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2005, 10:19:46 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
change would be to pass a law banning motorcycles... would you be afraid of 'change" in that respect?

lazs


He's young, vulnerable...way too easy lazs. Pick on someone with your own intellect! :rofl


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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2005, 10:23:55 AM »
You guys crack me up!:lol

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« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2005, 01:19:20 PM »
Rule 4.
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« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2005, 01:54:56 PM »
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Sparks. I think you'd best move, this country is obviously getting you down.

Ta ra!



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Well I am glad to see you are admiting you lost the argument.

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« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2005, 01:56:36 PM »
All empires end!
And this one has had it fifteen minutes. As far as the U S of A is concerned. We will be over run by immigrants and become an eventual police state. More polarization of the haves and have nots will occur and then before you know it. We are a suburb of Mexico city and Toronto.
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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2005, 02:05:39 PM »
living in chicago.... I can see how you would be so down.

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