Wake up America

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Its just a bit daft to fear immigration and loss of identity.

I tried the illustration of Harold II before, maybe I'll try another voice from history...

 

"hear me, my chiefs! I am tired; my heart is sick and sad.  From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever."

[Excel1]

Originally posted by Mustaine
i think you missed Xargo's point...

being a racist is not good in any sence, but lately in the US a black man for example can be openly "racist" toward whites, and get popular because of it. look at some of our comedians, they are celebrities, and actually make it "fashionable" to hate whitey.

i woman i knew we a teacher for special needs children in the inner city. the parents tried for a short time to have her replaced with a black teacher, because she would pollute the impressionable kids minds. even after, some of the 1st grade students called her a honkey to her face, and said they were told not to trust her.

encouraging that in public schools is insane. if white students said or did anything CLOSE to that they'd be expelled, as they probably should.

I get the point, although that example you gave is fairly extreme.

I think that kind of racism can only become common place if- either enough people condone it, or even more people turn a blind eye to it because of PC conditioning .

Things may be a bit differant in the US but in NZ the biggest advocates of a minority discriminating at the exspense of the majority(which includes,white, yellow, brown, black) are mainly white. The white dominated government not only condones this situation, the socialist tards created and foster it... for political reasons.

Excel

[Suave]

Originally posted by Pooh21


But I will be ****** if I learn 1 single word of spanish to talk to anyone here. You come to a country you learn its language or go back to where you can read signs and forms in your own language.

You must be french.

[Skydancer]

Masher just for info I do rather well considering i'm dyslexic and theres no spell checker on this thing but hey. A few misspellings do not denote ignorance.

[lazs2]

skyprancer... I think you and sparky live in different englands.

I don't think he would consider it a great thing to work for the government over the abuse people do to kids.  Nothing wrong with that... someone has to help in some way...   I just think that he wants a little less government in his life not more.   I think that your idea of "change" is.... more and more people working for the government...  a more and more powerful government.

From reading him I don't think that is the case with him.  I don't believe that more and more socialism is the direction of change that he wants.

I think you want the government to identify abuses and then set them right by hireing an army of people to "care" for the abused.

I think he feels that the government is the biggest abuser of peoples rights... I could be wrong tho.

lazs

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by Excel1
I get the point, although that example you gave is fairly extreme.

I think that kind of racism can only become common place if- either enough people condone it, or even more people turn a blind eye to it because of PC conditioning .

Things may be a bit differant in the US but in NZ the biggest advocates of a minority discriminating at the exspense of the majority(which includes,white, yellow, brown, black) are mainly white. The white dominated government not only condones this situation, the socialist tards created and foster it... for political reasons.

Excel

i think thats the difference in our countries...

i see it every day here in milwaukee of all places. it may not always be as extreme (though sometimes in public even more extreme).

it is a bad thing from both sides. whoever the perpetrator is.

[Torque]

they play by your rules if it comes to Mexifornia, you can lament with the natives.

[Skydancer]

Lazs you could be right there! We are both looking at this little place differently for sure.

I guess the biggest difference though is that whilst just like anywhere we have our problems, and govt is sometimes pretty guilty of abuses and major foul ups, I'm generaly happy and realise I quite like the UK we got.

Sparky seems realy unhappy about the UK we got. I know I'd rather be happy than unhappy so I guess I feel like I'm better off than he!

Thing is I've been to a fair few of the other European countries, visited Africa, visited and worked in your good country twice, and though I love the Italien Dolomites, thought the Black Hills in SD were great, was bowled over by the beauty in Kenya, and love the history and people of eastern europe, I'm pretty happy as an Englishman, and think that overall we don't do a bad job of running this little plot. Travel is only great when you enjoy coming home!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer
I'm pretty happy as an Englishman

There is a God!

[lazs2]

yep...  I would like to send you some of our socialists in trade for some of your individualists.  

I doubt that sparks loves his country any less than you do.   I believe only that he sees change in the wrong direction while you see it as going in the right direction.

He probly has a better shot at being right than you even... given that your country is doing worse instead of better.

lazs

[Steve]

Rule 4

[Skydancer]

Well I'll let you decide Lazs. frankly I don't care if you think we're worse or better. And if by individualists you mean the kind of people who don't give a damn how what they do affects others and see their right to do whatever they want as more important than their responsibility to their family and community then yeah take em all will you! And please give us the kind of people who do care about the society they live in and see themselves as part of that community. i think a bunch of selfish individualists for a bunch of social minded people is a very good swap.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Well I'll let you decide Lazs. frankly I don't care if you think we're worse or better. And if by individualists you mean the kind of people who don't give a damn how what they do affects others and see their right to do whatever they want as more important than their responsibility to their family and community then yeah take em all will you! And please give us the kind of people who do care about the society they live in and see themselves as part of that community. i think a bunch of selfish individualists for a bunch of social minded people is a very good swap.

Yep sounds like a good deal, you take all the hand wringing do-gooders who take others money through taxes and give it to people who in many cases wont be bothered to help themselves. Those same do-gooders who wine about social oppression while mommy and daddy pay for university.  Take the ones that naively think the current crop of people who hate the west but come hear anyway can be turned around with kind words.

We will take the people who depend on themselves to get ahead. The people who work their tulips off, to be able to do what they want, and resent the hell out of more of their money being taken, only to be given to some person who will never get off the government sugar tit. Those people that actually produce, so the do-gooders can tax them and give away the money to people who don’t.

Sounds like a great deal to me.

[bustr]

It amazes me you guys havent noticed that skydancer has owned you. Hijacked this thread and without triggering the monitors called you "Old", inflexable cowards afraid of changeing to the inevitable swamping of your homelands by the current wave of brown hoards. Ooops, immigrants...............

The problem with the title of this thread is what do Liberals, domestic and forigen, associate the word "America" with, if its not one of their own using it?

Conservitve white christians. Old white men with the power to oppress the less fortunate at home and abroad. Old white people who are racists and bigots. The old world which he predicts will be swept away no matter what you think or feel about it. Or the real damage it may be inflicting upon you and your families quality of life. Why else would you try to speak about it to like minded fellows?

I don't think you can take this thread back from skydancer because to speak about whats really bothering you, skydancer will be able to slam dunk you with the most odius label of all: racist bigot.

I have to applaud him for only giving you enough rope to get labled old cowards. That was very kind of him considering how easily he could have helped you make it to the latter.

After all you take him too lightly with his professional title of Youth Counciler. He does have training in persuading people to take other directions in thier lives, or at least in the current conversation while he's attempting to pursuade a young person down a functional path.

He diverted you as a group from talking about a common concern to defending your basis for this thread and defining each speaker with verbal lables that left you without any argument but sounding like old angry men who may have racist tendancies.

I'm using old angry men in the context that after we late 40 ish to 70's people hurry up and die, skydancer will inherit his utopia. I suspect he's only in his 30's and will be around to see what he's hoping will happen to us and our old white world.

[Hangtime]

henh.

When I die, I intend to take my old white world with me.