Author Topic: Zazen a frustrated NME (Read 1590 times)

moto61 · « **on:** August 14, 2005, 09:55:32 PM »

See Rule #4, #5

storch · « **Reply #1 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:00:29 PM »

hmmm some of us may be taking this a bit too seriously. have beer and relax francis.

Simaril · « **Reply #2 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:03:16 PM »

"Resourcefulness" does not include using a game exploit to make a base uncapturable. By infinitely spawning infinite supplies directly on the base, no amount of concerted effort could win the base.

"Resourcefulness" might include using real game skill -- missions to take out ordinance, manning 5" guns to kill attackers, using PTs as gun platforms, etc. It does not take resourcefulness to push the spawn button, open doors, drop supplies, land, rinse and repeat.

DrDea · « **Reply #3 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:05:13 PM »

So useing rank to change sides is not exploiting a loophole asgainst an obviously out numbered country??I call BS.

Simaril · « **Reply #4 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:08:35 PM »

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Originally posted by DrDea
So useing rank to change sides is not exploiting a loophole asgainst an obviously out numbered country??I call BS.

How many bish were up in arms months ago about the nits or Rooks being outnumbered? Precious few....so the righteous indignation thing wears a little thin.

Lets be honest -- the bish were giggling about having exploited the respawn thing, and got p.o.'d when somebody turned around and out-exploited them!

AS wise men have said, its a game.

BTW · « **Reply #5 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:19:00 PM »

I would call such a thing a bug exploit to be delt with accordingly. You can't accept the spirit of cheating and not expect cheating to occur in the game.

You're against it or you're not - whether it be outright hacks, wire wiggling, or changing sides in an attempt to weaken a base.

DrDea · « **Reply #6 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:20:00 PM »

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hmmm some of us may be taking this a bit too seriously. have beer and relax francis.

Its bad enough to be outnumbered but to have this kind of crap happen is not only classless,but borders on cheating.If it was impossable for the rooks to take it back how did the Bish even get it in the first place?You can say its just a game all you want but when someone does something like this,just because they can,its detrimental to the game.Send screenies to HT.I know I did.

Stang · « **Reply #7 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:27:04 PM »

Cheating? Any more than willfully using an exploit to maintain a base that in no way should be able to be kept? This is laughable at best.

With the Lvt's spawning onto the port directly, and the Bish keeping the CV right at the port, any kind of attack on the port was useless. Now, I'd call that pretty gamey, spawning lvt's for two hours straight and dumping supplies as soon as you spawn, then rinse and repeat.

So basically to spite the people doing this, I convinced Zazen to switch to Bish and take the CV (since he had higher rank than any bish online at the time) and move it from the port. I knew all hell was going to break loose and so did he, but what the heck, it's a game, and we knew it would be hillarious to hear the same guys using an exploit to their advantage turn right around and cry bloody murder about another country using an exploit to beat theirs.

Turns out, I was right hehe.

One exploit used to defeat another, deal with it, you Bish got pwned at your own game.

DrDea · « **Reply #8 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:28:50 PM »

SO tell me.How did the Bish even get the base in the first place if the rooks could have done the same thing?Answer the million dollar question oh wise one.

BTW · « **Reply #9 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:31:10 PM »

Yea, its cheating. You really want to open that door? I guarantee I can think of better scenarios to abuse it.

Stang · « **Reply #10 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:36:22 PM »

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SO tell me.How did the Bish even get the base in the first place if the rooks could have done the same thing?Answer the million dollar question oh wise one.

This is simple, and frankly amazing you can't see the simple answer. Bish snuck the port with the CV far away, allowing no possible chance to spawn lvt's to ressuply it. Once the port was taken, the CV, wherever it was (away from the port) was killed. As soon as the CV respawned, bish kept the CV at the port knowing about the exploit to keep the port. This would give them a foothold deep in Rook territory that could not be fought against.

The rooks had no chance to defend the port this way because the CV was away from it. The bish did because it spawned there and was kept there for this purpose. And on a final thought, whoever lead the bish mission to capture the port knew about the exploit and intended to use it to gain the foothold.

There's you answer. Like I said, simple. Something tells me you won't get it though.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:38:08 PM »

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SO tell me.How did the Bish even get the base in the first place if the rooks could have done the same thing?Answer the million dollar question oh wise one.

Because Rooks did not abuse the exploit like Bishops did?

Zazen

Howitzer · « **Reply #12 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:38:13 PM »

The rooks used it to attack a base, it was sunk and the cv was taken. We didn't have it parked offshore using an exploit to keep our port. Frankly, I could care less about the port, but your exploitation of that CV just couldn't stand.

TW9, you are right it was a good fight, but you know, that fight is still going on over A1 right now while I'm writing this.

It is really funny to see how some of you guys act over vox... especially those preaching "class" and "loyalty" LOL Some of you are pretty thin skinned. Just remember no matter how much you want this to be reality, its still just a game

DrDea · « **Reply #13 on:** August 14, 2005, 10:55:46 PM »

Having been out of the loop for a few years and just starting playing again I never heard of this "so called" exploit but it seems to me this could be done by anyone that took a port with the cv close by.So be it.To change sides for the only reason to take the CV out of the game till the port is taken and then the cv deep 6'ed seems to me like a cheap,inexcusable cheat.Much more so than supplying a port you just took.Justify it all you like but it realy isnt all about making up for what you percieve as wrong.Its a BS powerplay and its wrong.Flame away.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 14, 2005, 11:01:14 PM »

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Originally posted by DrDea
Having been out of the loop for a few years and just starting playing again I never heard of this "so called" exploit but it seems to me this could be done by anyone that took a port with the cv close by.So be it.To change sides for the only reason to take the CV out of the game till the port is taken and then the cv deep 6'ed seems to me like a cheap,inexcusable cheat.Much more so than supplying a port you just took.Justify it all you like but it realy isnt all about making up for what you percieve as wrong.Its a BS powerplay and its wrong.Flame away.

Actually not, the bug was fixed to some extent a while back to disallow LVT's from dropping supplies in the water. The problem with P62 is the geography, the LVT's actually spawned on the beach, so could resupply immediately without having to travel anywhere. The peculair geography of the P62 port area made this exploit possible whereas it would not be possible at any other port on any other map. The LVT's would have to travel a significant distance, very slowly, thru water, under fire to re-supply any other port.

Zazen