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Offline Flayed1

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« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2005, 01:32:04 AM »
As 1 of the ehem affending bish LVT2's that was resuping the base I would like to point out that we were not just uping and dumping sups on the beach. We spawned on the shore and had what I would estimate to be about a 3 to 5 minuit drive to the base where we would then drop the sups. I would like to also point out that at many bases if not all, if you can get the cv close enough to land your lvt will spawn on land, just that usually the CV never gets close enough.
 
   I really don't know what the big deal was about that base anyway we really couldn't do anything with it. If we moved the cv it would just die and so would the port so we decided to have fun with it, and it was fun.
  Some of us got to land a few kills in our LVT2's and on the ocation that the VH did pop up we would pop out with some ostys. But for the most part we were handing out some easy kills for you rooks I mean come on LVT2's vs 110's, 38's and other such planes. My rank probably is gonna look like crap tomorrow not that it was great :) but it was fun. And when the CV came up there was a brief furball untill the CV was sunk again.
  If I was on the other side of things I would have been content to kill some easy targets or have a lil furball but if I just HAD to have that base I either would have upped with enough force to to hit the LVT's at the spawn (3 to 5 min away from base) there by cutting the supply chain and I don't mean the pathetic showing of 1 to 2 110's a couple of 38's, 190's and wave after wave of 24's and lancs stragling in that I saw there. Although there was 1 large mission of 110's that came in that was nice to see but they had bad timing and happened to come right after the VH popped and we had our ostys out. To do this would have requiered a large organized group of heavy attack planes because the were lots of us popping up for once the bish were working togeather in a large #. :)  
 Then.. and the timing would have had to have been perfect the field would have needed to be dropped and troops dropped in. Would have been a hard thing to pull off for anyone I'll admit but With the right #'s and coordination I think it could have worked.  

   The other option and probably the easiest one would have been to just stop attacking the port. Let us get bored and we probably would have gone somewhere else to find our fun and eventually the CV would most likelly been moved off to attack some base or other  then you could have hit the port and sunk the CV at some other oppertune time.

  But as it was what happened there Really reminded me of my 2 boys.
 Say the youngest boy has a toy and is having great fun with said toy and the older boy really wants the toy but his brother won't give it to him. So what does the older boy do to rectify the situation? He thows a fit and starts screaming and yelling at the younger brother while pulling with all his might at the toy untill he finally yanks it from little brothers hands and walks away satified that he got what he wanted. (At least till mom and dad get ahold of him. :) )

  Zazen maybe what we bish were doing could have been viewed as bing a little gamey, I don't think it was. We were just having fun.
  But what you did was a blatent missuse of the game (being able to change sides) and of your rank.  I see on your post that you seem to think you were preserving the integrity of the game but I would like to know when HiTech and crew made you the local sherrif? This is HiTechs game not yours if you had a problem you should have gone through the propper channels IE Email/Call in the supposed problem.

  I'm not for you getting kicked out of the game afterall this might have been just a case of poor judgement brought on by frustration but I do think your rank shoud be locked at around say 9000 or so for a while, kinda like sending you to the corner for time out.
 
   Anyway I hadent intended on this post being so long so sorry to all you guys who don't like to read. :) This is just how I feel about the situation and it's in HiTechs hands now. <> all and good night.
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« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2005, 01:41:24 AM »
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P62 is 1 sector away from our HQ and other important strats and was being used to launch aircraft throughout the entire ordeal.

Yes...such a danger to HQ and strats if they'ed launched a B5N2 raid!  :lol

And I'm sure they were launching aircraft to protect the CV and base...whatcha think?

But keep paddling...maybe you will find some weak-minded noob who will believe.  Lets all clap...if everyone claps, then Zazen's reputation will come back to life!

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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2005, 01:43:07 AM »
INconceivable!

Jokes aside, this is just another reason to remove the annoying land grab out of the whole game.

Except for the odd VH here and there, what is the point of killing things that don't even shoot back?

On second thought, I'm staying out of this...
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« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2005, 01:44:38 AM »
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  I'm not for you getting kicked out of the game afterall this might have been just a case of poor judgement brought on by frustration but I do think your rank shoud be locked at around say 9000 or so for a while, kinda like sending you to the corner for time out.



I STRONGLY agree with this!!! Take his rank up to 9000, he'll be the laughing stock of the MA! I think we should raise Stangs to at least 13000 for not havin the guts to do it himself and being a little anklehumper to Zazen. Raise the scores, RAISE THEM I SAY!!!!
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« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2005, 01:45:42 AM »
Zazen calm down,

what you gonna say when tommorow one of rooks use exploit and  ruin other  players  squadnight?

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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2005, 02:07:54 AM »
LTV's spawn to shore or just off if the CV is within range near any shore field.  LTV's don't (anywhere that Im aware of) spawn on a field.   That is the way it is designed to work.  
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And since when did playing the game as designed become "gaming the game"?

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Your claim of spawn, open door, drop supplies is bogus.  The opportunity to cut the supply line was there.
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It's really weird being on Knights after flying for Rooks. Noone says anything, nobody is typing any information on country or range channel. There's almost no communication whatsoever. I'm Rooks because of all my long-time friends are on Rooks. But, I'd want to be Rooks anyways, numbers or not. You just can't put a price on great teamwork, mutual support and communication, it has a pronounced 'amplification' effect on everyone's performance.
So teamwork is a great thing unless someone else is using it.  If so just send someone to trump the teamwork by taking away the teams asset.
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« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2005, 02:36:19 AM »
Zazen - "I'm old school, as a member of the community, I am responsible for doing my part to maintain its integrity"

So you switch sides grab the CV run it away form the port, you realize how insane that sounds?
Intergrity my ARSE.
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« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2005, 02:52:42 AM »
this has be re-hashed before.

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dear HTC take this stupid ack exploit away please...how are we supposed to take a port if ack comes up in 30 seconds?

You have successfully made an ingame cheat for lamers and " game gamers" to use....

Please do something about this


At the time, you could drop supplies in the water, and as long as you were within' 1500' of the base it would "count".

Here is HiTech's reply to it.  (BTW thread is HERE)

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Sounds like there isn't a bug,


What ended up happening is that HT changed it so supplies can no longer be dropped off in the water.  Was changed for 2.0 patch #4 Link

He obviously had no issue with resupplying the port (VH, Field, etc, etc) with LVT's from a CV.  It is part of the game, designed to happen that way, and neither a bug, nor an exploit.  

Changing from Rook to Bish and using your low rank to move a CV to help out the Rooks is distasteful.  I have given this some thought, and feel that Zazen was out of line on this.  What is really disheartening is that it was done by "committee".  I am truly saddened that no Rook stood up and explained to their countrymen just how wrong that was.  

As was stated prior, there are no "uncapturable" bases, and the Bishops were not exploiting a "bug" or anything at all, they were being smart.  They were neither "cheating" nor "exploiting" a "port supply bug".  

Once I was defending a VBase from a nme CV with 4-5 others.  The nme LVT's were spawning right on shore, and they had 4-5 guys spawning LVT's and dropping set after set of troops.  Must have been a couple hundred troops running towards the map room.  They ended up capturing the field, as we just couldn't shoot all the troops before they went into the maproom.  Was that an exploit? No.  Were they cheating?  Again no.  Should I have changed sides, and moved their CV away to protect my VH?  Oh heck no, that would be bad form on my part.

Probably, the Rooks should have just stopped attacking that port, waited for it's CV to steam off, and took it.  Hope HT chimes in on this, and gives us 2 cents on the matter.
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« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2005, 03:04:55 AM »
If you guys had paused for a moment and thought about it you would of realized something.  Us keeping the CV near 62 makes the CV useless.  Yeah, we're going to go off and blast HQ, gimme a break.  But then if you guys had left it alone and we moved it out to attack A61 maybe, it could of been killed by one of those dive bombing B24s you guys seemed to like to much today.  Then one of those well timed attacks, you know teamwork, could of captured P62.

So basically, that CV and port were useless.  You all were upset it was locking up 50+ Rooks.  Then why not stop attacking it?  Or maybe your fellow Rooks were having fun with the fight.  So what if you weren't going to take the base, it was still a great fight.  And then there was something about being annoyed at people boasting on 200.  Then why not turn off 200 for a little bit?  Or squelch the ones talking the most perhaps.  I know these are wild ideas I'm putting out but stay with me.

The only way that CV was a threat to anything was if nobody was available to shoot down all the lightning quick heavy F4Us.  By attacking it in such a heavy consistent way, you only forced more Bish to join the supply train.  The bigger the attacks that were repulsed, the more people thought it was funny and the more showed up.  Thanks for the good fight Rooks.  It was fun until that one thing happened.
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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2005, 03:15:00 AM »
I don't need to use any details or type a huge post. All I want to say is that:

Switching sides to move a CV away so that a port can be captured - lame, cheap, and pretty much a "spy" or "traitor".


Hope they take your name away.

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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2005, 03:15:20 AM »
Zazen:
Well, if you were at P62 tonight, you would have seen your first un-capturable base.

I'm sure AH would have collapsed on itself and the world would have stopped spining:rolleyes:

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« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2005, 04:45:58 AM »
^ what sigma said
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« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2005, 05:35:09 AM »
The simple fix to this is if you change sides, your rank resets and you must re-build your rank. You wouldn't lose perk points, but you would lose your rank.

That would solve a lot of problems.
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« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2005, 05:43:21 AM »
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Don't you Rooks know any tactics but massive frontal assaults?  All you had to do to capture the base was to leave the base alone til the CV and defenders went on their way somewhere else.....


AMEN!!!
This is what I was saying the whole time the words were flying on 200 after Zazen took the cv.
Heck, with so many Bish tied up "exploiting" P62's "bug", you would think that the rest of the Bish fields would be easy pickings.  Was this discussed in the "Committee meetings" Zazen claims the rooks had concerning P62?  I think not.

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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2005, 05:52:59 AM »
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This bug ruined my own squadnight, it ruined the fun for alot of Rooks and made alot of Bishops look really pathetic. The negative repercussions of me moving the CV and the MA going back to normal was far, far less than allowing cheating Bishops to continue to ruin the evening for 200+ people. The good of the many out-weigh the good of the few cheaters.


How the hell did this ruin anyone's gameplay?  With so many Bish tied up at P62 you would think that your gameplay would be better with less to defend the other Bish bases.
Your pride got hurt, plain and simple.