Withdrawal 1972 ABM treaty.

[Octavius]

Bush to Abandon Arms Control Treaty

Do you feel this is a wise move?  What could go wrong?  What could go right?

input welcomed


oct out.

[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Octavius ]

[blur]

As American Indians know very well the government of the United States speaks with forked-tongue with regards to treaties.

The whole concept of a missile defense is absurd and it only serves to escalate tension in the world.

The bottom line is that this is really nothing more than corporate welfare - spending billions of hard earned tax payers money for a system that many say won’t work and is not needed anyway.

[Eagler]

yep blur is right, bush jr is the anti-christ  

the treaty is dated .. end of story

[J_A_B]

"and is not needed anyway. "

Nobody will be saying that once some shady entity launches a missle at us.   Then they'll want to know why we were powerless to stop it.   A defense is only unnecessary until somebody attacks.

J_A_B

[Hangtime]

Defense from orbital incomming objects makes damn good sense.

Not developing the technology is about as smart as farming rocks.

I dunno about you; but I'd like to see our civilization survive and move outward into space; and this is but a step along that path.

[Sundog]

Actually, JAB, don't be confused. The so called missle shield WILL NOT shield major U.S. Cities from attack. At least under a massive strike. It really is corporate welfare and an excuse to pour money into R&D (Which I would be OK with me if half it reached the commercial sector in a timely fashion). As for a rogue nation shooting a nuke at us, they don't have to. All they have to do is get it on airliner or Fed Ex it in. Osama Bin Laden has already proven you don't need missles to strike the U.S.

What I really want to know is what they are really trying to build this for. So far the excuses don't match the system. Perhaps one day we will get the truth, but I'm not holding my breath.

[hblair]

I agree with blur. My gov't is so imperialistic it makes me wanna bl-, er, throw up. Bush is pure evil (evil evil evil). We need a socialist president like Ralp Nader or something. Yeah baby, Nader rulez!

[Ripsnort]

I think of China in the year 2020 when I think of a missile defense system...a start with basic R@D could be a life saver 20 years from now...think future, people, think future.

[J_A_B]

I know perfectly well that the proposed system would not shield against a massive attack.  That's not the point.  MAD is still an effective deterrant to a large nation, be it Russia or China.  They won't attack us because in doing so they'd be killing themselves.

MAD is utterly no deterrant to a small rogue state or terrorist organization.  They don't CARE if they get "martyred" if it means killing a lot of Americans.  We need something that can stop a missle or two, which is what the proposed system will do.

Of course, after Las Angeles gets nuked I'm sure you'll agree with me.  It isn't possible quite yet, but in 5 or 10 years it could happen.

J_A_B

[Tac]

Give all that money to NASA, put a colony on the moon and mars.

And give me a one way ticket there dammit!  

[Octavius]

money this money that.  it all comes down to money and greed, thats what makes today's world go round.  Why cant this be like Star Trek where there IS no currency?  We could strive to better ourselves... and have mrfish be captain picard on the starship enterprise  

[hblair]

Send Hangtime to mars on a ballistic missilie!

 

[Fatty]

Hrm, you seriously think that because this treaty is no longer valid China and Russia might think that they can nuke us without retaliation?

And people say Bush is dense....

[Raubvogel]

It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it...

[Hangtime]

Send Hangtime to mars on a ballistic missilie!

Heh. I'm still trying to find out where they towed the mother-ship. Fargin NYC parking restrictions...

Foolish humans, when I find my ride; I shall orgasimicize the entire tri-state area.