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Offline jpeg

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People who have just switched countries should not be allowed to control cv until they have been with the country for at least 24 hours.

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2005, 12:39:40 PM »
How about… When you switch countries, you loose your rank…?

 You should not loose your perks like you do when you change game Ids, just rank. If you’re good, and stay in your new country, you’ll get your rank back soon enough.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2005, 01:12:44 PM »
Or you can't control the CV's for 12 hours like you can't get perk points for side wins.  Simple solution already in effect on another issue and not much to beef about unless you were going to do it for that reason.

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2005, 01:58:35 PM »
What I would like to see is the choice of country pop up when you select an arena.  In addition, you should be able to see the roster so you could tell the numbers of each country, bases held, and who is flying on what side.  Then you chose your country, you are moved into the arena on that side, and cannot switch sides for say 12 hours?
This would stop the CV issue, help prevent the "spying" of missions, and still allow folks who want to fly on the sides that have low numbers to do so.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2005, 03:34:23 PM »
My idea is this. If you change countries you get nothing for 48 hours. No rank, no perks, and you can't change back. If you don't like your new country, damn the bad luck. Be a man and deal with it. If you start whinin on the country channel that you hate being there you should be forced to endure the never ending harassment of your fellow countrymen that you decided that you don't like. Just my .02
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2005, 04:04:20 PM »
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My idea is this. If you change countries you get nothing for 48 hours. No rank, no perks, and you can't change back. If you don't like your new country, damn the bad luck. Be a man and deal with it. If you start whinin on the country channel that you hate being there you should be forced to endure the never ending harassment of your fellow countrymen that you decided that you don't like. Just my .02


Pretty counter productive approach. Encouraging folks to switch sides to the lower pop country when things get lopsided is a good thing. Proposals such as this only discourage that.

I've got to say I don't quite understand all the hostility towards someone switching sides. If you're worried about spies, etc, none of the above will hinder that in the least. As long as someone can have two accounts, you're fully screwed and will continue to be...end of story. All this is secondary in the extreme. Or if there's some other reason for trying to discourage people from joining you're country?
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2005, 04:26:07 PM »
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Pretty counter productive approach. Encouraging folks to switch sides to the lower pop country when things get lopsided is a good thing. Proposals such as this only discourage that.


I've got to say I don't quite understand all the hostility towards someone switching sides. If you're worried about spies, etc, none of the above will hinder that in the least. As long as someone can have two accounts, you're fully screwed and will continue to be...end of story. All this is secondary in the extreme. Or if there's some other reason for trying to discourage people from joining you're country?


People who go to the least populated country usually hang around for awhile. What actually happens the most is people on the losing side jump to the winning side right before the reset just to get the perk points. That is not very honorable. If your country is taking it in the shorts you should stick your head up and fight to the end. You can try to win the next one.

There will always be spies but we should at least make it just a little difficult for them. This idea will also make the recent CV incident a little harder to pull off. Not impossible. If someone wishes to jump sides to change the outcome the game, then a high price should be paid.

As always, just my .02
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2005, 04:39:34 PM »
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Or you can't control the CV's for 12 hours like you can't get perk points for side wins.  Simple solution already in effect on another issue and not much to beef about unless you were going to do it for that reason.
I agree with this version.  The issue of an enemy switching for the purpous using their rank to deny free use of a countries CV  has come up on more than one occasion.

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2005, 05:00:52 PM »
How about make it so that CVs can't infinitley resupply a port, too?  That way BOTH gamey almost-cheating aspects that ruin someone's gaming can be eliminated?

And if you take away the incentive to switch countries (ie, get to fly Temps for the enemy against the -holes in your old country) you make people want to stay with their unbalanced side.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2005, 05:34:41 PM »
Some good ideas here, let's add this great idea to the list as well.

A Task force with no Carrier or Cruiser should not have any supplies and should not be able to re-supply a port by launching lvt's (or PT's for that matter) ad nauseum. The last time I checked destroyers couldn't launch these vehicles.

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2005, 05:59:35 PM »
I like the time limit, but not the other ideas for any other penalties/costs. With numerical imbalance being a common issue, any penalties or lost opportunities for perk/rank/score would be counterproductive.

I do not think a fleet that has been entirely sunk should be capable of launching PTs or LVTs in any circumstances.

Another idea I like, although I'm not sure if it could be implemented, would be that LVTs spawn in the water, not on the beach. I saw another instance of LVTs spawning directly onto land and dumping hundreds of troops out, who then ran off the small peninsula through the water to get to the town, which made shooting them almost impossible (this was before the change to troop 'hardness' and splash damage effects).
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2005, 06:13:11 PM »
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How about… When you switch countries, you loose your rank…?

 You should not loose your perks like you do when you change game Ids, just rank. If you’re good, and stay in your new country, you’ll get your rank back soon enough.


Actually, that's not a bad idea.  What if you were ranked per country and that was what was used to determine things like controlling the CV?  The "just change countries crowd" shouldn't be bothered by it, the people that only fly one country shouldn't care and everyone else would have the option open to them.  You could still have the overall rank, but that would not determine who can control the CV...only country rank.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2005, 06:41:53 PM »
What actually happens the most is people on the losing side jump to the winning side right before the reset just to get the perk points.

Total Urban Legend.

You CANNOT switch to the winning side just before a reset and get perk points.
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2005, 06:46:52 PM »
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A Task force with no Carrier or Cruiser should not have any supplies and should not be able to re-supply a port by launching lvt's (or PT's for that matter) ad nauseum. The last time I checked destroyers couldn't launch these vehicles.

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2005, 07:10:55 PM »
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Taken from that article:

On 29 January Admiral Halsey received permission from Admiral Nimitz to proceed with the occupation.2 Halsey's first plans for the attack called for an infiltration from Guadalcanal by one infantry battalion and antiaircraft units carried on two destroyer-transports.


These are not the same as escort destroyers, which is what are modelled in the task groups for AH. Destroyer-transports are just armed troop transports. Escort destroyers on the other hand are there to provide additional anti-aircraft support and anti-submarine support to the task force, not to carry troops and supplies. I've been on a destroyer there's not enough room in there for enough supplies to rebuild a destroyed base.

In this example the landing craft were all towed externally a very short distance in a pass between two proximate pieces of land. They were not in the open sea. Capital ships carried the LVT's internally where they were safe from direct enemy fire until ready to be deployed. If AH wants to model externally destroyer towed landing craft, we need to be able to shoot them all out like we do guns before they can be deployed and there needs to be a very finite number of them and if the CV travels more than a few miles from land they need to sink.



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